Wow, workout PLANS are wacky

Is there a FAQ or something on Zwift workouts somewhere? I have questions:

  1. I’m always supposed to have all the workouts for a week complete “by next Wednesday night”. What Wednesday are we talking about here?
  2. What am I supposed to do if I don’t get all of the week’s workouts done by “Wednesday night”? I’ve started and failed to be able to get through several workouts already in the three weeks I’ve been working on the FTP Builder plan, but the game just seems to add those failed workouts to the list of ones I’m supposed to do “by next Wednesday”.
  3. When starting up the game, are the workouts that are offered from my plan presented in the order they’re supposed to be done in? If so, why do the low-intensity “Foundation” workouts appear adjacent to each other? Does that make any sense?
  4. I think I’ve pieced together the thinking behind this FTP Builder plan, based on some of the comments I’ve seen on the screen at various times, but is there a posting or anything that kind of lays out the philosophy behind the various plans and why they are thought to work, and for what level and type of rider they each work best for?

Corrections for a couple of mistakes here:

The title should be “workout PLANS are wacky”. And the FAQ I’m looking for would be something about workout PLANS.

There I fixed it. :ride_on: :sunglasses:

What did you ummm… fix?

edit: oh, the title, thanks!

I suppose a lot of the answers to the questions you’ve got only sort of make sense when put in the context of “what were training plans like before” - but since that’ll take a bunch of words, I’ll stick what I can dredge up from my mind and stick it in this expanding spoiler tag, before attempting to help underneath!

Previously on Zwift workouts

Previously; when you signed up to a training plan, each workout would only unlock at a certain point in the week (for instance, workout one would be available on a monday, the second maybe on a wednesday); if I recall correctly, you’d also only have 3 or so days to complete each workout in a week before it was “locked out” and unavailable to choose - basically the available workouts for plan would always keep progressing, whether you completed them on time or not.

In 2021 or so, some changes were made to improve flexibility of training plans - this made all of a week’s workouts available for selection on the monday, with the only requirement being they needed to be completed by the sunday night of that week - this also had the slight downside that what order the workouts appears in, didn’t always match the original order they were designed to be done in. (Plans with a race finish are usually a good example, with “race day warmup” being earlier on the list than a “final taper” workout). Though I’ll mention this in point 3 below.

Then in the last couple of month we’ve been given the ability to complete a plan with an extra 2 weeks of flexibility in addition to all the other changes; this does mean that a lot of the “do by” stuff is totally superfluous, hopefully there will some efforts to address some of the unneeded hassle of “do by whenever” getting removed, and having the workouts in the “right” order once more.

I’ll caveat these answers with “I’m not a coach, I’m just here to provide a vague answer to the questions you’ve asked”.

  1. Wednesday the 3rd of whenever, as mentioned on Rowdy’s reply that I’ve linked to in the first line; these “do by” dates are totally redundant now. You get X+2 weeks (where X is the number of weeks you set the training plan to last for) to do all the workouts in and complete the plan - there is no requirement to get specific workouts completed within a timeframe (other than the overall X+2 weeks to complete everything).

  2. As long as you’re completing a week’s worth of workouts each week (and those workouts are being marked as completed in the training plan - I’m not sure if there is a requirement to complete/star a percentage of segments within a workout in order to mark it as complete), I wouldn’t worry about it.

If you’re unable to get enough workouts attempted/completed each week (due to not being able to fit enough sessions in to complete enough workouts for instance), you’ve still got an extra 2 weeks to complete the plan - if that’s not going to be enough (for instance, you’re on a 6 week plan, with 4 sessions, but you’re only getting 2 workouts completed a week; you’ll end up needing to cram more workouts into the extra weeks then you’ll have previously been doing on the bike), it might be worth looking at another plan with fewer weekly session. If you’re wondering what “a week’s worth of workouts” is…

  1. The workouts are “probably not” in the correct order - thankfully Zwift workouts and training plans | What's on Zwift? has a list of each training plan’s weekly workouts - and their original order. It’s a little frustrating needing to print out a list off a 3rd party website in order to get some structure back to each week’s plans, but unfortunately it’s where we are.

  2. There is a bit of blurb on the workout plan chooser page that may give a flavour of the plan’s goals. Personally, I tend to choose plans based on the following:
    a) have I done it before (as I want more virtual socks)
    b) how many sessions are there each week - does that fit with my current schedule?
    c) how long is each session - does this also fit with my schedule (are the sessions similar lengths, does that length fit my schedule; are there requirements for longer rides that may/may not fit?)
    d) what do the sessions actually look like (see whatsonzwift) - do they favour long stretches of steady state (FTP builder/fondo plans) or are they a little more “busy” (build me up) - and whether either of those are something I’d prefer.

I’d also mention that the “difficulty” of any given workout is entirely in your control - a woorkout’s segments are based off a FTP value you manually set; with ±25% worth of adjustment available during the workout to make it harder/easier as necessary (though I’d mention that some plans feature a lot of “easier” riding, there would be a temptation to jack the bias up at this point for more of a burn - that’s not necessarily a good thing).

Thanks Colin, that helps a lot. I certainly didn’t know about the X+2 rule, for one thing. And that page on whats on zwift . com will be a big help (although it shows I’m in the middle of doing Week 4 of FTP Builder all out of order, right now).

Since I’ve failed to complete two workouts so far in this plan and had to do them again on the next workout day (succeeded both times!) it’s become apparent that I can’t tell when I’m going to be able to complete a workout I’ve never done before, and when I’m not. So it’d be nice if the system would reschedule the workouts in that eventuality, but since it turns out it isn’t even scheduling them properly in the first place, that’s obviously not something I’ll look for any time soon.

Wow, thanks for the great info. I tried Workout Plans a few months ago and just gave up - just didn’t make sense. It helps when you get the proper order at least! And the whole “done by Wednesday” or whatever just seemed to make no sense. Good to know that it’s basically a nonsensical message now. I think the workout plans may need a rework by Zwift!

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