Once again, I have observed significant and persistent instances of unfair dynamics. Wahoo riders continue to face consistent disadvantages, seemingly being pushed aside at every opportunity. During Tour de Zwift rides or when riding with a Robo Pacer, I experience a constant struggle—always being forced to the side and unable to reposition within the group. Any attempt to move up results in immediate displacement, followed by being pushed further back. It feels impossible to maintain a position within the group, as every effort to advance is met with immediate resistance. I have tested with Wahoo and it happens always. I have tested Tacx and there i have way less trouble. So we are back and Zwift cheating all Wahoo riders.

lol. It has literally nothing to do with what trainer you’re on or what equipment you have. Everyone gets pushed out equal yet unequal amounts. With the newer PD5 system, it means that steering riders and non steering riders consume the same amount of physical space. Up until “now”, steering riders could continue to go through other riders like the days of PD3 and prior. I can only imagine what you experienced was more related to an inconsistent test over anything else. I don’t understand what people’s obsession is with wanting to maintain pack position is… there’s no reason for it. It’s not like IRL, stop treating it like it’s IRL. In a really big blob of riders, sit at the front and pull if you wish, once you’re about two [rows of] people back, the draft benefit is equal all the way through to the rear until off. Where you sit from say that second row, all the way to the rear… is genuinely meaningless, and in racing situations could just mean wasted watts for lighter weight riders.

[image] Andre: Zwift cheating all Wahoo riders Or “favouring Tacx to the detriment of absolutely everyone else”, given your n of 2. Or, rather more likely, neither of the above.

as a matter of fact it does matter which trainer you have. Go look at their update log roughly 1-2 years ago where it reads, corrected Zwifters being pushed aside using Wahoo.

[image] Andre: Go look at their update log roughly 1-2 years ago can you link me to where it says that? I’ve had a Wahoo trainer for 5 years and haven’t ever seen this.

[image] Wahoo Kickr bike draft+downhill issue General Discussion Has anyone noticed issues drafting in the group or struggling in the descent since some weeks? Did some tests at differents w/kg and during some races. Get dropped in downhill, after I hit the brake to make wahoo bike supertucking speed decreased instead of increasing , even with people in front tha… Same poster… same myth.

[image] Where is the love for your longest supporters? General Discussion I’ve been a level 50 for a few years, have 20+ million drops after buying all sorts of things I never use, have all the badges (except 2 I’m never going to get) and have been an avid Zwift rider and fan since 2017. When is Zwift going to do something for the people like me who’ve been your longest … Seems you 2 have history. :rofl:

sounds like the current steering/non-steering issues were first noticed back then with the kickr bike users.

Now the steering issues are just spread out to everyone with steering. The steering behaviour on ADZ is very, very stupid with random swerving approaching turns for no good reason - sometimes taking the worst / steepest line through the corner rather than the wide, faster line. I gave up complaining because that won’t be fixed. It only affects the minority of people who ride ADZ with steering and they don’t matter. On the flip side we don’t get the PD5 aggravation because nobody likes riding on hills = no traffic jams of riders. :slight_smile:

I want to complain about how Zwift penalizes everyone who uses my exact trainer in my house. Everyone who rides on that trainer is nowhere near as fast in the game as they should be, we all notice it. Come on, Zwift–stop putting my specific trainer at such a disadvantage.

i have been doing Robopacers a lot in the last week and to be honest it feels ok.It isnt as sticky as people say here and you can overtake anyone just by putting little more effort like it would happen irl.I would like to see how this PD would work in a race.The only thing i would improve is the interpenetrations between avatars when riding on big groups because at the moment when noone is pushing at the front like robopacers it forms like a blob of riders riding through each other.So it ends up being 100 riders within 20 m.I wouldnt eliminate it like @Jon said in 1.80 post but increase it a little bit .

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Seems you 2 have history.

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