Steering again

Get in a group of 4 - can’t get on a wheel because presumably the other 3 have steering. Normally I’d share turns but it’s impossible if you’ve effectively been riding on the front the whole time.

In the end had to sit up - event spoilt. Ok i could get steering - or zwift could fix it so I autosteer to follow the wheel in front. As it is it’s getting unusable - sadly I’ve got 5 months subscription left but if it remains like this I’m off.

For those that want steering great but as it is it doesn’t work if you don’t.

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You could message the riders that you would take a turn if they would stay out of the gutter.

It’s been discussed quite a bit on other threads. I think it’s really bad the way it works now - bad for racing, bad for TTT, bad for group ride sweepers. However as far as I know Zwift has not acknowledged that this is a problem, has not said if it’s working as intended, or if they plan to work on it.

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I’ve just reduced my height to the minimum - zwift’s physics takes the **** if you are 6’2" so I’m now 90cm. If I’m forced to be in the wind I may as well minimise how much if me there is!

Why the need to cheat?

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The concept of fairness went out the window when zwift screwed those of us without steering.

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You’re going about this the wrong way, but while you’re at it, reduce your weight to 54kg so you can be a master climber, be a trooper and go all in.

Amazing stuff to both complain about this then admit to cheating on the thread rather than wait for a sensible fix. :joy:

Someone should mark this as “solved”

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Ok it might be funnier that the race you refer to was not a race. One tactic you can employ is to coffee stop on the steering folks.

Auto DQ for height manipulation is working as intended at least!

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Whatever - I rarely look at zwiftpower and only for my own stats. It’s not about winning races it’s about being able to enjoy them and it’s impossible (for me) to enjoy competitive group events whether races or Fondos where getting in a small group means riding into the wind because at 56 I’m not likely to be able to stay in that group in those circumstances.

Keep spying on me because I might go on a diet too who knows.

Hey all - a fix for this is under way in Pack Dynamics 5.

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Tom, don’t do that.
That data suggests you did go on a diet and lost 11 lbs rather quickly and forgot to reset your wt till some months later when you did 2 rides on the same day.
The fact that you corrected your wt shows you want to be honest but you are getting very frustrated, or maybe you did lose and gain 10 lbs over several months but still, correct data was important to you that day.

I think you are directing your frustration in a negative direction that is not speaking well for you.
The folks with steering are not cheating but when altering your vital stats, you are.

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Testing PD5 autosteering in Watopia now…i liked it.

Riders without steering are following the steering riders very well…Nice :+1:

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Are there any changes apart from autosteering ?

You can test it it’s available only in Watopia.

What i noticed is that both steering and non-steering riders have same unvisible bubble around the avatar that you can’t ride into them like with PD4 and steering.

Riders are returning to the middle of the road if they are without a draft for around 10-12 seconds.

Here is a clip of the test

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It would be interesting to see how the non-steering rider following behavior compares to a steering rider under PD5. Is it the same? In this video it looks slower than how steering riders follow without PD5.

There sure is a difference because of the unvisible area that you can’t cross around a rider that is not existing in PD4 for steering users.

The responsivnes to follow draft is a tricky part…if it’s too fast than avatars will be swirling left and right and everything will be a mess.

So, does this mean a group of riders in front can block riders from behind from passing if the whole road is occupied?

very much appreciated

That would be excellent, no matter how much power you try to put down you aren’t allowed to pass unless there is a free space on the road for you to use. About time.

Next thing we need once everyone gets brakes and steering is collisions. That will make racing a lot more interesting.

It’s frequently said by people “it’s a game” so I guess people are taking notice of that.

Hence you see even a club leader reducing their weight from 87-89kg range to low 60kg and doing 49 minute ADZ then gloating about it on Strava. All the IRL riding hills in a week won’t drop your weight that much.