Again interesting. So what we’re hearing is that supposedly the negative experience during rides that have steering, is for those who have steering. Not for anyone else?
Unaware of any Herd Group rides that have steering enabled currently
The steering dilemma , what a joke. I don’t see any issue to have steering on in races or events. Steering and non-steering avatars have both advantages and disadvantage. With steering you can cut some corners but it’s a way more tricky to have the benefits of a groupdraft and your avatar can bounce a lot because he can’t ride thru other riders and you can avoid sticky draft, with non steering you have always easy draft and auto a best position and your avatar can ride thru other riders what is also an advantage .
Steering only races from ZHQ, did a few and i was almost the only one with steering in my cat and it’s always on the same course…so that’s why i want steering on for our events. We want to pleasure the zwifters who paid for the sterzo as well, otherwise it’s useless and a waist of money .
Cheers
Stephan
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Thank you for that, Stephan. Wish more of the event organizers saw things your way.
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I can understand prohibiting steering in races to keep the playing field level, but in the general events (e.g. Sub 2.0) why prohibit steering? If people purchased steering because they thought it added something to their enjoyment of Zwift, why not let them use it so that they can enjoy the ride more? Default should be ON.
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Hi! Really like steering with the new dynamic pack. More realistic and for me this could be a real game changer as I write it in the steering section of this forum. Thinking of the dynamic in an TTT when steering is allowed for example or to hold the ideal line. Get rid of annoying drafters in a race. Attack for an escape with steering friends 5 km in front of the finish of a race. Or sprint and the pack can´t follow you as easy as these days. Get the curves on the mountain tighter (and the ascent gets stronger) and and and.
I also think that zwift know this. I think that there will come a simplier tool for steering than the sterzo. Maybe a cursor tool or so.with the new update (dynamic draft pack) it levels the field and it is a step in the right direction (tipp: you can avoid sticky draft with steering and go arround a lapped group in a crit race for example). also the steerers have to move more to stay and get into draft cause of the new dynamic and this is a lot of fun and really more realistic!!
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I know… kinda pointless wishful thinking, but would like ZHQ to at the very least indicate why they disable steering during their own organized “Tour de XX” group rides. Other large organizers (eg. HERD) providing some sort of rationale would also be nice.
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Here also the wish, that steering have to be allowed in social rides. With the new UI pack dynamics it becomes more and more fun to steer and I don’t understand why its forbidden in social rides. thx
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Exactly so, John and Stephin, it makes absolutely no sense for steering to not be enabled in social rides. We’ve screamed at ZHQ about this and gotten the usual: Radio Silence. Wish it was different but it’s not so there we are… 
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I haven’t revisited this topic for quite a while. Any traction or movement on the steering disabled by default issue? I quick filter search shows only 12 ride events out of 1,745 listed ride events have steering enabled (.7%). Kudos to those event organizers though!
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Regarding steering, i will never win a D category race unless Im the only participant. But with steering, I am being able to find a better draft and line and actually ride with a pack when racing. I much less likely to be dropped and have to race alone. Why not make steering the default and just DQ me after the race or add a time penalty. I just want to have fun riding, and steering makes it way more fun (plus works my core better). Come on ZWIFT, make it worth my while to have sterzo.
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Worth your while maybe but also gives you an unfair advantage over everybody else in the race is why 99% of organisers won’t turn steering on.
Social rides I don’t have any issues with it.
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Actually I’m pleasantly surprised. I see that there a lot more races with steering allowed, and not just the original ZHQ specific ones. 72 out of 783 (9.2%) currently listed Race events have steering. Noticeable improvement in adoption. Overall for all types of events, 165 out of 2416 (6.8%) events have steering. For regular “Rides” (non Race), 91 out of 1,093 (8.3%) have steering. Compared to the <1% adoption when I looked and posted in August, this is great.
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Hello. we have steering on in all our events.(team vegan)
But with dynamic pac 3.0 there are bugs and the avatar is drifting sideways and has no draft .
The steering is not working great since the first day release (in events). I think that’s the reason why you see not much events with steering on. If the official zhq event rides don’t allow steering th this will mean something :—)
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@Stephan_Maertens
Have you not seen any improvements to the drifting of steering users’ avatars since the correction issued a couple of weeks ago?
See Pack Dynamics 3.0 Update [November 2021] - #22
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Interesting, was this raised in the Bugs forum?
OTOH, I’m curious though if there’s a downside to enabling steering anyway? That is, does it negatively impact non-steering participants, or for steering participants if there’s some sorta bug, can’t the steering be turned off mid-ride or unpaired?
Current case-in-point. Why is steering not allowed in the Neokyo Badge Hunt rides? It’s a 1-5wkg general kinda ride for all comers.
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Exactly. I don’t understand why Zwift went to great lengths to sell steering and then dropped almost all support for it. It does present a substantial advantage for racing but for group rides without a leaderboard having the default ride setting “No Steering” is just stupid. Most of the time, organizers don’t even think about enabling it so that’s why there are only 5% of the rides with steering.
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One thing that read from a ride leader recently though, it sounded like that enabling steering is now possible during normal ride setup and doesn’t require a separate ZHQ request. So it’s evidently easier to do so now. AFAIK, there is no ride “leader” for zwift rides like the badge hunt, otherwise I’d address a query directly to that leader.
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enabling steering for normal events is already a long term option.
I also wanna know why ZHQ is keeping" steering not allowed " in their original ZHQ events (except the steering races) since the release of steering. I didn’t read any official comment from ZHQ yet … I’m very curious about the reason but i guess bugs
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