virtual collisions are causing me to suffer PTSD

Perhaps there is a way to adjust/change the programing such that when you over-pass a very slow rider or one who is “stopped” in the road, you do not “hit” them and ride 'over or through" them? These virtual accidents feel very real!

I have had a number of serious accidents in nearly 40 years of riding that have involved hitting a stationary object (e.g., a car that pulled over into the bike lane) (Yes, I know…but they happened mostly during an intense training session on a TT bike and in 50,000+ miles of riding, it’s bound to happen).

I absolutely LOVE training with Zwift (best thing to happen to cycling since electronic shifting) but every time that I “ride into” one of these stopped riders, it kinda makes me flinch and actually causes a touch of PTSD. Anyone who has looked-up just as they are about to run into a stationary object at 25 mph, and still vividly remembers that feeling of going over the bars and then tumbling onto the pavement, knows EXACTLY what I mean… 

IF you use the 3rd person view you will probably have a lot less issue than using the 1st person view.

yeah- but that’s a lot less fun :wink:

the issue actually isn’t “that” bad. It was meant kinda tongue-in-cheek… however, I DO often “flinch” as I virtually ride “through” one of the other cyclists. It takes some getting used to and it really does bring up some memories from past collisions.

THe reason I like “first person” view is that I primarily do pretty intense FTP workouts and tend to get really “into” the visuals. (as a way of distracting myself from the pain!)

More importantly, when in aero position on a TT bike it is really easy to get lazy and drop your head and not look where you are going. Maybe the pros can get away with that because they are racing on a closed course. And while that’s also fine in a virtual world, in the real world it can get very painful and expensive very quickly (speaking, unfortunately, from experience!!)

I find that Zwift really forces me to concentrate on maintaining a good body position by “keeping my eyes on the road” BUT that it allows me to rest my neck and “work up to it” without the same risks as ding that out on the road. 

I do triathlons and what you said makes little sense? Pros are not the only ones that ride on closed courses and the camera position makes no difference in your training. 

And yes I use a TT/Triathlon bike for Zwift.

I race TT and triathlon, as well. It’s true, age-groupers can sometimes race on closed courses, as well. I was generalizing. And, even when on a “closed” course, we both know that there are obstacles that can pop-up (even if you’re a pro with a moto escort. It’s only those few top pros that can really afford to not constantly watch down the road)

Camera perspective does make a difference in my training (for me, at least) because threshold training efforts are as much mental as physical and by riding in the “first person shooter” mode, I can really dig in and focus on the road and put myself, mentally, on the road. Also, power thru climbs and spin downhill. And it really not only reinforces proper position but I can work on “position intervals” to increase my endurance (e.g., hard efforts in TT position, recovery efforts on bullhorns). Also, while in aero position, allowing my head to drop and rest my neck, and slowly increasing the amount of time between “rests” until neck is stronger. Doing this, I have been able to steadily increase the amount of time I can spend in proper aero position. This would not be as safe to do on the road.

I am using ERG mode 99% of the time, so terrain does not “technically” matter, but it TT training is still very much a mental game for me.

True, I could even ride with no display in ERG mode but the mental aspect of Zwift scenery is what gives me the extra motivation.

As is said before, it’s just a little disconcerting to “ride through” someone. My reflexes are to steer around them.

(that’s what happens after 40 years and 50,000+ miles in the saddle… including IMWC Kona)

also, I just think that the whole concept of “virtual collisions” is kind of humorous.

makes me feel like I am in an episode of Ghostbusters.

I’ve yet to see anyone taking a “virtual leak” along the side of the road and, THANKFULLY, have yet to be chased by any virtual dogs. (not so lucky in the real world- and have the scars to prove it).

Enough with the “50,000 miles and 40 years”, it just sounds like humble bragging and no one cares. 

Change the view or don’t change the view, it’s your choice and i don’t think anyone cares. The the whole PTSD you are claiming you are getting while on a stationary bike is just demeaning to people who actually have PTSD.

Sorry for being harsh, but the things you are saying are ridiculous.

sorry for “bragging”. only point I was trying t make was “I’ve been doing this a long time.”

As far as PTSD- I am actually a physician and have treated 100’s of patients for PTSD and am not only extremely sympathetic to the problem but have a great deal of empathy, having dealt with some of my own issues. I don’t think I was being demeaning- but there are widely varying degrees of PTSD and it is not something experienced just by veterans. I have certainly treated vets with PTSD and having nothing but compassion for them. 

I was trying to present a fairly serious topic with a bit of humor. I don’t know if you’ve had any really serious bike accidents- especially ones that involve hitting a stationary object (car, person, traffic cone/marker) but if you’ve had, you will probably never forget the experience of going over the bars, flying through the air, possibly tumbling and than landing.

The reality is that when riding in 1st person view (actually view 5 or 6) and you DO ride over/through someone’s avatar, it creates a really weird feeling for me- the best that I can describe it is a bit of a PTSD-like flashback. It’s not serious enough that I want to change my POV or stop using Zwift or need to quit my workout but I thought it was something worth pointing out. If only for some of the silliness that goes along with cycling in a virtual world.

my apologies if that offends you. that was never my intent. (and I have indeed been cycling for over 40 years and wouldn’t be surprised if I racked-up 50k miles along the way. although thinking about it during my ride today, it’s probably only in the neighborhood of 30-40k because my regular mileage went down a bit for a few years that I was living in a large city and down again when I shifted my focus to triathlon).

less arguing, more riding.

aloha,

DrNorm