Zwift is a tottally different game to Fortnite, like all Games people use to slap Zwift software practices with, it lives in a known evironment across all platforms, Zwift does not, read the forums for more info like my trainer has an issue, and itâs an obscure one or the fact they have to sunset older operating systems to allow the game to progress.
Wait 'til you hear about World of Warcraft.
Critical Power is where itâs at these days, even zFTP is actually CP and not really Coggan FTP, as it was poorly defined, from memory your power to do either a25km TT or 40 min effort, then the 20 min was a bodge from that.
I understand Ramp tests are a very good test as well, aslso 4DP style workouts
Ramp tests are good because they are over quickly for most people. So especially if someone is not very skilled at TT like efforts they can be a good alternative. Or someone who doesnât want to do the longer tests because they fear not doing well on them. Thats a thing for some people.
The old FTP test of 20 or 60min duration is also about skill of knowing how to measure out your effort to peak at the end and not explode earlier.
Most of the ramp tests Iâve seen fairly well reflected what the rider was capable of when using the multiplier to get a rough FTP.
For the first workouts at the new power level they all generally struggled a bit which is normal.
We were all here for the bird audio issue
Yet that wasnât rolled back
Several other major issues have occurred with no roll back as well.
New routes seems to have a lot of elevation!
So your ftp on the grade is 88% of your average. Roughly 10-15 minutes. Looks like a must for Zwift Academy.
This climb for most will come between the volcano and the reverse Epic/ reverse kom Innsbruck.(as to time to complete)
It would be interesting to have a chart.
Your FTP as a percentage of your average is going to depend on how fast you go.
In Zwift Insiderâs recent livestream Eric averaged 340W and got an FTP score of 302W (88.8%) while Nathanâs numbers were 391 and 335 (85.7%).
I wonder if you take 60 minutes will it be 100%?
What was Gabbiâs?
If I did a ramp test, it would specify that I must stay seated. If I climbed a steep hill like The Grade, I would likely spend some time out of the saddle. Does that invalidate it as an FTP test?
I donât go out of saddle on hills - I stay seated the whole time on the steep hills in Zwift. I donât get benefit standing unless Iâm sore from sitting on saddle. Same irl on hills like Col du Telegraph or Croix de Fer.
I think some of this is really being over thought. Every time Iâve seen power tests itâs all out, max attack, no rules on out of saddle or seated.
I even saw one 380w FTP effort done at 73 average cadence.
Glad this is being released despite all the negative talk the moment anyone mentions hills.
Canât wait till I can ride the new climbsâŚ. Guess I have to and presumably 2 days more than most, since Iâm always last in the phased updates rollout 
Guess the comparison to Fortnite and spaghetti previously in this topic already covers what I was about to write 
Letâs cross our fingers that Zwift development will reach 2024 standards sometime in 2035 
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287W average, giving 251W FTP
Yes a ramp test requires the rider to be seated and are also generally conducted around 85-95rpm and the test is over once you canât maintain a constant cadence.
Just pick a gear that allows you to ride at 90rpm for the given effort. A virtual hill doesnât mean you need to ride out the saddle at 60rpm mashing a gear. Itâs just designed to provide a steady gradient. You could even use TD to set a level that helps find the correct gear.
Doesnât matter.
Only thing that matters is consistency; which is also true with the FTP tests; full or short, or ramps.
So next time you do The Grade, will you do any of it standing? If you stand both times, then it should be a fair judgement of abilities.
FTP is just a reference number, and in Zwiftâs case, really just to calculate power zones, and where to set the zones for workouts. It doesnât affect anything else (well, just your sprint animation).
Does standing while doing a workout invalidate the workout? Same concept.
We get your question; but this is just the answer in the real world. You can do these tests however you like; but the objective is to minimize differences when doing these tests, to be able to compare like for like.
ie: if youâve done ramp tests for the past forever sitting only, and did one with a standing effort to get the last bits out at the end, and it does manage to increase your FTP number, despite no other training going into it (and say, even doing a ramp test a day prior), then potentially you could âinvalidateâ it, but only due to inconsistency. HOWEVER, you should note that you were able to improve numbers by changing muscle groups, and learn from that, and use that knowledge to improve fitness.
Thereâs nothing wrong with standing, that isnât the issue; itâs consistency. If anything, people donât stand enough.
But, for the sake of that example, you can learn from âdoing it wrongâ according to someone somewhere who said standing âruinsâ a ramp test, that the reality is⌠you still did that effort; nobody else did. Will it make further workouts sting just a little bit more? Sure, but thatâs the whole purpose, is it not?
Closing note on this subject I always like to remind people to play with the workout bias mode when doing workouts.
Thanks. So, it was 88%. Thanks.
Bingo! Well said and totally agree.
Also where I add that people should record as much information as possible about their workouts, amount of sleep had, temperatures, rpe. All those things are useful when tracking how you are going. Smart watches can even give you detailed information on your sleep.
You can go back and look at progression and know okay that day was crap because of XYZ factors.
Or it was a stinking hot humid day and that sapped your power. Maybe you had work related stress. All those things are useful to know. More details the better.
And ALWAYS use HR monitoring. Itâs really useful.
Apple and android need Google play and Apple store approval. This takes time
The phasing doesnât have anything to do with app store approval. Some time back, before Zwift introduced the phased release process, all platforms were released pretty much at the same time.
Iâll respectfully disagree. Iâve been on ATV for about 6 years and itâs always been behind PC releases. I do appreciate Zwift have implemented more phasing but app and play store does delay release.