Please reinstate monthly goals.
What should outdoors count towards then?
XP is meaningless beyond level 40.
Anything more meaningful would too easily be cheated out, like drops or unlocks or missions.
Which leaves us with nothing else; unless Iām missing something.
I donāt really see why outdoor rides need to count to anything*, itāll keep your streak going but i donāt see why it should count towards anything in game because it isnāt happening in the game.
*other than encouraging people to keep paying zwift during the summer obviously which I guess is the only real reason
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I think itās a good reason. Itās not coercive, and if Zwift has more year-round customers and steady cash flow that is good for anyone who enjoys the game and wants it to improve. People can choose to respond to the incentive or not, as they wish.
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Itās a freebie.
Nobody is losing here, itās hardly worth being concerned about someone ācheatingā, because the advantage is minimal, and none for most users that have at least 1 year in Zwift anyways.
XP eventually nets drops.
I think everyone here is just going too overboard on the āeveryone but me is cheating and I donāt like itā vibe since the Halo bike update.
Once users have the ability to disable the feature, I would hope this concern goes away because itās ridiculous in the meantime.
Iām a level 100, and have been for over a year.
I like knowing that my handful of outdoor rides and my commutes are āgoing towards somethingā even if technically nothing for my personal case. If it went towards something more unique or special, the typical forum-goers here would flip a lid about how unfair it is.
Did everyone here already forget that outdoors is already only 1/3rd XP in the first place?
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Fitness.
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Some of us donāt live in areas that allow us to gain fitness safely outdoors.
I ride outdoors to get outdoors; and the rides are basically only Z1 that arenāt commutes.
So no, it doesnāt work that way for everyone.
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But youāre not sitting on a couch when you are riding outdoors.
And one thing weāve discovered - Zwift will never do something that works for everyone.
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Karoo user here, too! Level 96, and now ignored 
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I guess I fail to understand the argument of why XP gain should be stripped from outdoor riding. (that is, whenever it gets fixed and doesnāt include all recorded rides).
As it stands I could do a walk with my watch on and Zwift will read it as distance gainedā¦ obviously that needs fixing; but thatās unrelated.
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Probably just a small incentive for more people to link external fitness data. All about data these days more info zwift have the better they can personalise and predict what people want.
Nick - could it be incorporated with a lower confidence than numbers on Zwift to improve scores when people havenāt been on Zwift much?
Itās not easy, but could improve the racing experience a lot if everyone werenāt dumped into the lowest category when they come back in the fall after riding outside all summer.
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I guess I fail to understand the argument of why XP gain from outdoor riding should be included in Zwift.
I am not a gamer.
I am curious if there are any other online games where real life acquisitions ( money, ammo, medical supplies, health, etc ) get included / transferred into the game. Iām not talking about purchases you make within the game using real money/tokens/credits, etc, to acquire in game items.
You canāt make this a fair comparison to āany other online gameā
Zwift is Zwift is Zwift.
Does Pokemon Go in this case count? That game you literally have to go āgeocachingā to get thingsā¦ but it was also designed that way from the ground.
Not very many video games encompass use outside of their own actual software on the device itās designed for.
Battlefield 4 as a potential example had a cross compatibility where people could use an iPad on their app, and do things for teams like ammo and vehicle drops among others; all without even being near a PC or console that could play Battlefield.
Elite Dangerous for a little while had an app that would allow you to browse items for sale at a station, and purchase them to go in your cargo hold when you were away from your computer.
So in that caseā¦ does that also fulfill your example?
Meanwhile however, there are THOUSANDS of games that allow you to unlock garbage like āskinsā and other things just by watching streams online or clicking a button on Amazon or other websitesā¦ which, in thise case I would argue does also count; while it requires little effort, still requires going āoutsideā [the bounds of the program] to unlock things.
But thatās nothing new, thatās been a thing for over a decade now for all sorts of games.
Again, itās more of a hard-press to find any video game that extends beyond the bound itās developed for/on (the skin unlock example is cheap, but for massive online games, thatās just marketing adspace for next to no work for them.)
In Zwiftās case, why this is such a great feature; is because it CAN.
Thereās literally no downside to it, itās just XP which again is mostly meaningless anyways, and on top of that is still a mere fraction of what you get in-gameā¦
Do you seriously think someone is going to travel around the entire world to unlock the level 100 kit on Zwift?? No. Itās purely to keep people to sustain their subscription all year, and youāre granted a token of meaningless stuff in-gameā¦ so again, whereās the harm?
Why it should exist is because itās been a decade-long request.
Meanwhile look at how far it could goā¦
Local segments?
IRL Clubs
The list goes on; a list thatā¦ will look very familiar to a Strava user I imagine.
And itās that competition, that will be interesting to see.
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Actually Pokemon and Ingress are interesting examples. Both allow you to get ādistanceā in-game while youāre not playing by using your phoneās pedometer/GPS. So you can hatch eggs in pokemon go, or accrue distance towards the āTrekkerā badge and complete capsule distances in Ingress while walking around without using the game at all.
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R
Rouvy does itā¦
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Well I desperately need a Scotty cap but it only unlocks at level 70, so no experience isnāt meaningless beyond level 40
nothing, it never counted before, its a cynical way of marketing the game and keeping people paying over the summer when theyād generally cancel
as above, it never counted before so why should it suddenly count now?
Because Zwift wants to position itself as a fitness app, and therefore needs your data. The easiest way for Zwfit to get your data is to barter for it. Either that, or a money grab, or both.
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Coming from the guy who made the largest argument a year ago now about the price increase, and about how ācheapā gyms are.
And yetā¦ here you still are, funny how that works isnāt it.
It never counted before? Seriously???
Who brought all the grumpy old men onto the forum to complain about NEW features this month?