A rider with the lowest Racing score?

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I’m an A rider and my score is 594, lower than plenty of C riders, who I could smoke in a race by riding my FTP.

I mean, I have a pathetic ZRS, but my FTP is 4.2 and I can do 405w for 5 mins (5.23 w/kg). But according to the ZRS, I am worse at racing than guys with an FTP of 3.2 and a 5 min power lower than my FTP. I can ride pretty well attended 690-1000 races and not get dropped, but I suck at racing compared to guys in the 350-520 who can draft well and have a good sprint :smiley:

But, I know a French rider with 531 who - I promise - is an A+ (black A ) rider, with a 20 minute power of 4.7 w/kg.

It’s like ZRS thinks a local Cat 2 Crit King is a better racer than a non-sprinting domestique in the World Tour or something?

Anyone beating the 531 A+ rider and myself for ridiculousness? Any A riders that are sub 500?

Honestly, this system would say that ‘Tractor’ Tim DeClercq is a worse cyclist than Cory Williams…

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Everyone knows that French rider he’s been posted here 4 times lol. He doesn’t need to sprint so he isn’t updating his 30s and he’s way above strength of field so isn’t shifting to A quick

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If both of you rode A your scores would go up with moderate success. Or they wouldn’t and you’d be on a competitive category.

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Slovenian A+ at 525 with 5wkg for 20min and 5.7Wkg for 5min…want to race with him :rofl:

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Can we do watts and w/kg for these witch hunts. It helps with context. The French dude has a 325w FTp which is probably more A than his w/kg

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It would seem that the 30s is massively oversignificant in the ZRS calculation. If someone is winning races in the highest category but has a constantly declining racing score because they don’t / won’t / can’t sprint, it’s silly.

For me, an easy fix to this silliness is to upgrade anyone who finishes any race within a short distance of the winner (eg. 24th in a 690-1000 race, 8s behind the winner) to the minimum race score of the category they were just competitive in.

So, your score is 545, but you enter a 690-1000 race and finish 22/52, 23s behind the winner, with a w/kg average similar to the riders in the top ten - your score is upgraded to 690 - as you can clearly hack the demands of that category.

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It’s not a witch hunt…it’s a formula failure. I’m saying this for 2 months. Tim is most likely already sick of me repeating it week after week.

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See, now that is ridiculous

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Unlike many I don’t want to win or podium or top ten.

I want to survive in the highest possible category. It means way more to me to not get dropped against the very best than to top 5 in the B grade. It’s more of an achievement and this should be reflected in the scoring system.

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Villagers with pitch forks? (I was mainly joking but the wattage + w/kg helps context a lot)

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I just did that. Raced the highest ZRS score, top ranked old Zpower, and highest Velo base score.

Wasn’t dropped. ZRS went up 1 point. Pretty happy. Looking forward to seeing the duals :joy:

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Mine goes down every race. And it goes down if I don’t race, but hit loads of PBs in training.

I usually finish towards the rear of what IRL would be called ‘The Peloton’ and I only ride well attended races in the highest category. Score goes down every time I race.

There are riders in my ‘victims’ on ZP who have never placed ahead of me in any race. They have ZRS 150+ higher than I do. My numbers for 20/5m are significantly higher than theirs.

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How can this be fair…it is ridiculous comparing this 2 with 25kg difference. I’m sick of this :face_vomiting:

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I never said it was fair. I never know how outraged I should be when someone says a B did 4.5w/kg. If you tell me they were both high wattage and doing that, then most/any scoring system should put them in a higher cat; if they are super lightweight, then some would and some wouldn’t. Min watts for CE was fair-ish

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I wouldn’t look to race score for validation. It will tell you to win empty races against people who aren’t trying.

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There must be a way to award more points for placing lower in a harder race.

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The strength of field modifier doesn’t do enough. The podium bonuses could be higher.

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30sec seed score power needs removing and then give more points for top ten (if more than ~25 riders) and especially the podium.

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Can’t say I’m a fan yet of the ZRS.

I’m a solid B. I’m too heavy to compete when the road goes uphill longer, but I have a decent sprint. My ZRS is 763 and I’m getting dropped by guys throwing around +5 w/kg for 15 minutes…

So I’m one of those guys whose been credited way too many points because of a few good sprints?

Sort of miss the old B cat where it felt more leveled out for me

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