Last night I was checking results and ZP showed 21 entries, I knew there were more because loads of people overtook me.
Looking on the App there were 34 finishers, no problem, the 13 were not on ZP so no result, in reality they did not race, BUT. they all had ZRS changes so they did race, no they didn’t they were not on ZP.
I can now see how people find this really confusing, either make sure all riders sign up for ZP, put it in the Terms & Conditions and do it automatically or don’t give any riders who race and are not on ZP any ZRS changes.
This actually has another effect for me, I lost one third of my racers on Friday who were not on ZP
My big concern is how many riders not shown on zwiftpower are non-subscriber “burner” accounts, created to cause havoc in races and have no accountability regarding gender; age; height; weight; power data; heart data etc. from one race to the next.
Hopefully, this new emphasis on racing will be extended to the process of analyzing race results and we will see much of this functionality rolled into the Zwift game but ZHQ will be very cautious about giving us the tools to single out riders and make accusations of enhanced performance, even though that is one of the most similar aspects between Zwift and real life.
If there is functionality in ZwiftPower that is mandatory for racing then it should just be part of Zwift. No additional sign-up, no separate account, no “other” website to look at.
I noticed last night that the zwiftpower Tiny Races league tables now show the final Racing Score after the zone quartet. For example, zone 2…
Concerning that in race 2, for example, only 67 of 103 finishers are classified in pen E (7 zwiftpower look.to be DQed for “sniping”).
Plus for a few weeks at least, you could filter the Tiny Races league table by pen letter and final Racing Score at the same time, so you could see for example pen E racers who finished above the pen E 260 limit (Eric is now giving DQCAT for race 4 for racers who finish 25 points above a pen limit. or complete DQ if they finish 50+ points above the pen threshold).
I’d love to see legitimate riders not registered on zwiftpower to be included in the “official” results, because like them or not, those non-registered racers are often having a huge affect on how races play out.
If a rider is not on ZP it is difficult to verify his data, checking races it is very easy for me to see something which does not look right, select the rider which takes me to his profile so I can look for his previous data.
I would be quite happy for all riders to get ZRS changes but if we go down path which happens now then surely all riders need to be included in results.
I don’t disagree. However you gave a alternative to putting everyone into ZP, which was not giving them any score changes in ZRS. I was asking how the latter was a viable alternative.
ZwiftPower seems to suffer from a “not invented here” problem. It’s an unwanted stepchild. This has been true for a long time, and the words from Zwift engineers make it sound like their long term vision is to replace it with in-game functionality, but progress on that is incremental and quite slow.
As far as I can tell, Zwiftpower is more of a want than a necessity. People like to be able to verify metrics and look at all sorts of data (many power durations, power curves, height and HR when those aren’t masked by preference). It’s also the only place to easily view the same kind of stats on the signed up participants before a race. Why Zwift’s own events pages don’t show pre-race info, but only shows post-race is a mystery.
You’d think in the overall scheme of things, the development of a webtool that can show tabular data would be relatively simple programming, versus the other stuff they’ve developed or are developing.
As soon as JH and GK were taken out of the equation very little, if any work was done on ZP, probably for various reasons, GK did a good interview a few years ago explaining some of the issues.
I wont blame ZHQ for everything as they have their own goals and milestones to take into consideration but by now we should have had some indication of a way forward.
Sorry if you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
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Riders who are already on ZP then those racers would get ZRS adjustments.
If a rider races who presently is not in ZP races in a ZP race then their ZRS does not change, effectively if they do not appear in the results, no ZRS change.
OR… just enter everybody into the race whether they are in ZP or not and everybody gets ZRS adjustments. All riders appear in results.
At the moment you have to go searching though the APP or Zwift website results to find out who actually raced and more importantly how many riders took part.
No easy answers, how do we know the person who keeps winning dosent really weight 45kg but weighs more like 120kg especially if there are no HR readings.
IMO we have to be able to have verifcation so we can try to produce races which we can be be assured as much possible are fair.
At the moment that falls down to in the main ZP and the race organisers who try to ensure that happens.
We don’t know the criteria for antisandbagging or the definition of adequately hard effort.
Percentage of power, time in power zone 5, percentage of max HR?
How will they address a malfunctioned HRM?
Will riders be blocked or pulled from race during the race? (preferred)
After race DQ are not a great answer but a step in the right direction.
Enforce minimal weekly wt changes.
Zwiftpower should just be part of Zwift and be automatic on sign-up. When checking race results on the companion app it should automatically link to Zwiftpower for the results. It’s so clunky the way it is with Zwift, The Companion App and Zwiftpower all being separate log in’s