Please no additional levels

General Discussion
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As a dedicated Zwifter who has reached Level 100, I respectfully ask that you do not increase the level cap beyond 100. Hitting that milestone is a major achievement and symbolizes years of commitment. Continuously raising the level cap shifts the goalposts and can diminish that sense of accomplishment.

Climb Portal Mastery: Complete all Zwift Climb Portals at each gradient difficulty (125%, 100%, 75%, and 50%) with a unique badge or reward for each gradient tier.

Also, please keep rider times visible on Climb Portal leaderboards until the portal is replaced. Currently, times disappear when riders log out, which removes valuable pacing data for others still on course or going to ride the course. Being able to compare against other zwifters times helps riders set goals, chase PRs, and compete fairly for jerseys.

:small_orange_diamond:Tour of Climbing Portals: A structured challenge or event series where:

  • Cat A = 125%
  • Cat B = 100%
  • Cat C = 75%
  • Cat D = 50%

Completing each “category tour” could unlock exclusive badges, kits, or gear and encourage riders of all abilities to participate at their preferred challenge level.
:backhand_index_pointing_right: The Tour of Climbing Portals could be held as a recurring event, 2–3 times per year, similar to Tour of Watopia or Tour de Zwift.

:small_orange_diamond: Deeper Customization: Unlock the ability to fully customize your bike, avatar and frame color, wheel color, kit colors (jersey, shorts, shoes, gloves, helmet, etc.). These unlocks could be tied to challenges, XP milestones, or achievements.

:small_orange_diamond: Drops Multiplier for Events & Group Rides: Add a moderate drops multiplier for select events and group rides; perhaps 1.75 instead of going all the way up to 2.5x to reward participation and make events feel more rewarding

These ideas provide long-term motivation and meaningful progression, without undermining the value of reaching Level 100. Zwift shines when it rewards consistency, skill, and exploration, not just raw XP.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Ride On,

Werner

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Halo Status & Upgrades

To receive a Halo bike, you must fully upgrade (all 5 stages) three Specialized frames.

The Specialized Project ’74 is a Halo bike in Zwift, unlocked through five successive upgrade stages:

  1. 550 km + 400,000 Drops → Aero upgrade

  2. 1,050 km + 800,000 Drops → Weight reduction

  3. 1,600 km + 1,200,000 Drops → Drivetrain efficiency

  4. 2,150 km + 2,600,000 Drops → Aero upgrade

  5. 2,650 km + 5,000,000 Drops → Weight reduction

Suggestion:
After receiving the Halo bike, any distance ridden on the three frames required to unlock it should also count toward the 8,000 km needed for the Halo bike’s upgrades. Right now, after putting in all that work to fully upgrade three frames, those bikes become useless for progression, and I’m forced to ride 8,000 km exclusively on the Halo bike. This feels unnecessarily repetitive and takes away variety from my bike choices.

Ride On

Werner

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You aren’t forced to do anything actually

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I’m happy that it’s not easy to upgrade it. There are few enough long term objectives available after level 100

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You can ride whatever bike you want - but if you want the halo to be upgraded to level 5, you now must actually ride 8000km. The previous loopholes have been closed off.

It would be good to have a Cervelo, Canyon and Colnago or Factor halo bikes.

Canyon: Ultimate CF Evo SL (ultra light climbing bike)
Factor: Aston Martin One-77 superbike

It sure looks like you have to do 8000km with a halo bike to upgrade it, unless you are saying there are other ways.

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No, just saying you don’t have to upgrade it, you aren’t forced to ride any specific bike (unless you want to upgrade it)

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But is it really that difficult? People will just run bots to crunch the miles so to speak.

And the bots are increasingly clever at not just being a fixed power and cadence which is easily discovered.

It takes a long time for people to upgrade properly, but the determined folk will have it done in 2-3 weeks.

Hopefully the next big ticket items are world expansions for Watopia, France and or Innsbruck.

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Hopefully the people running bots to unlock everything aren’t the same ones complaining that there’s nothing left to unlock.

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How about more real climbs with actual scenery that are part of the current worlds - the missing extra climbs to the real Alpe d’Huez added to ADZ:

Col de Sarenne, Col du Lautaret, Col du Galibier (with the small tunnel and the bit over the top), and the other Alpe d’Huez climbs - adding a small village at the top of Alpe du Zwift with an uphill main road and a lake to one side.

Then build out the other worlds like Innsbruck which would be very simple to expand:

  • The road out past Innsbruck airport
  • Reith bei Seefeld climbs
  • Höttinger Hölle climb
  • Passo Giovo (Jaufenpass)
  • Penserjoch (Passo Pennes)
  • Timmelsjoch
  • KĂĽhtai
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I don’t see the point in limiting to 100 levels. Zoon everyone will be level 100 then what is the point?

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I agree with OP that the level cap shouldn’t increase, for essentially the same reasons. If you’re going to have a maximum level then that level should stay as the maximum instead of periodically moving the goalposts.

I’d prefer to remove the cap entirely, to make the levels unlimited.

I’d then add in an annual or seasonal level that resets. This would give everyone something to chase each year, and have the ability to compare how far you progressed each year.

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This would be super cool and I was hoping for Canyon halo bike to come later on.

E.g. the one you listed above could be the bike to beat the Specialized Aethos and therefore with an incentive to get it.

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I think just the opposite, it would be better to add more levels above 100 and even (a lot ) harder to obtain with a lot of XP as input :slight_smile: . Ride on….forever and infinite !!

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Most won’t, and I won’t, so any kind of progress indicator other than incrementing XP is interesting. Sure I wish they did more about bots and cheaters, but the value of the upgrades is still greater than zero for me. When people are running bots to get upgrades, the problem isn’t the upgrades. Ordinary users who want upgrades should get on the bike more, and nobody is “forced” to ride for upgrades. They are voluntary incentives, and I think Zwift made the right choice to make the halo bikes not particularly desirable from a performance perspective - they are intended as a “flex” that says you ride a lot.

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We need more levels, 19 months at level 100 now :enraged_face:

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I feel there should be more levels but stop all the XP bonus carrots.

XP should be a constant reflection of the time or effort put into the game.

That was one of the benefits of the Tron bike.

Back in the day, there was no cheating the climb, unless you consider doing workouts up the Alp cheating or settling TD to 0.

Maybe it was cheating.

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Would like to see unlimited Levels and no more banked XP, just move everyone to the level they should be on.

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Created new topic

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I’ve been at level 100 for awhile now. I guess I’m glad that I got there. Unfortunately it doesn’t mean much, anymore. Doesn’t xp stand for experience points??

For some reason, Zwift started moving the goal posts around. We all have, or had a different requirement to get to Level 100.

One Million XP would have been a nice achievement :thinking:

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