But ZI mentions this after their testing :
‘The most surprising thing you can see immediately is that Zwift’s performance tweaks have turned the Tron bike into a leading aero bike, but a poor climber. It’s no longer an all-arounder.’
So my question was, what is the turning point for the Tron to not be the best choice anymore due to its worse climbing now. There has to be a number of elevation meters where it stops being the best.
Kind of like eating 100 chicken nuggets will kill you, so 99 is okay to eat.
That depends on the power you’re climbing at. If you’re climbing at 5wkg then Tron will be the better option for longer than if you’re climbing at 3wkg.
It’s a bit of a 3 body problem. 
God, even more things to worry about 
It is a one body problem…mine. Does not matter what bicycle I have…not going fast uphill.
Remember, it’s only a game. 
No, it doesn’t exist. I’m asking to ride the Tron to upgrade the Tron. Not ride the BMX, or Zwift Carbon, or Zwift TT, etc.
Search, RIP Tron (road to a). He kinda, answers your question
This one includes upgrades if you toggle it on:
Thanks, I will have a look at his video.
So even the Glasgow Crit Circuit is enough elevation to let the Tron lose to the Aero Frames. Thats 34m of elevation. So every route with less than 30m the Tron is an option. Above not.
Edit:
I am a muppet with maths. It should of course be any route with less than 10m/km of elevation the Tron is an option. And had a quick look, that is 98 out of the 190 routes we have at the moment.
So not dead, but also not the best options anymore that it was.
I just want the 5% XP boost on the good bikes, not just the rubbish ones. 
The speed tests are all flawed by being a 300w 75kg rider in the wind. Racing doesn’t work that way. Tron will outperform on most routes at a high enough speed. Tron will underperform on most routes at a low enough speed.
The majority of KOMs, including the epic/epic reverse, are currently set on aero bike and disc wheel.
I’ve been banned for a week so couldn’t post.
I like this update and think it was a great way to nudge user retention through grind to earn modest benefits. Very much a step towards the MMO mentality that keeps people focused on one platform.
It’s common in the industry to have an active “revenue protection” team that can game out obvious exploits ahead of time or quickly address any that do come up. I wouldn’t be surprised if the most blatant examples get some retroactive consequences as a way to dissuade the mass adoption of exploits that navigate around the retention benefits.
Of course. Well except perhaps ITT where you ride alone without draft.
For all other races these numbers are a nice reference, but in no means the holy grail since race craft en draft matters way more than 3 seconds gain in an hour of solo riding.
Being a level 100 for over a year now it’s overall good.
ZHQ for events however needs to add control for clubs and event hosts to neutralize equipment top to bottom. That is my only “issue.”
I still have a slight fear that set frames for group rides, folks that have upgrades, could alter the pace to those users who have selected and are on upgraded bikes.
But it’s a long term goal to upgrade bikes, which I think has been done well. I’d like to see things jumbled up though, some Zwift bikes perhaps the first upgrade is XP or Drops bonus first for example.
I kind of wish the Concept bike was handled a little different; I think it’s confusing down to the fact people have unlocked the bike, and the only way to now upgrade it is to literally… not use it; which will continue to remain confusing to the end user.
An important bug question though; on “neutralized” events like FRR and potentially Zwift Games; are the neutralized equipment free of upgrades?
ie: FRR puts you on the Zwift Carbon frame.
If you upgrade your Carbon… are you ‘cheating’ ?
(Same concept applies to group rides where you’re set to a specific frame, but in this case.. it’s a race).
If ZRL goes neutralized equipment, this question stands.
Agreed, but are the relative bike speed positions not valid? Or I suppose the draft effect is stronger on flats/ downhills compared with uphills. So an equal climbing advantage/ aero disadvantage is possibly more valuable in a group ride with mixed terrain. Presumably the speed charts could be adjusted equally for all frame/ wheel combos to represent a group ride with a “standard amount of draft”?
If they are upgraded doesn’t matter so much, as long as all bikes are identical in performance is key.
Neutral vs Standardized bikes vs standardized types of bikes are controlled by different settings and have different behaviors.
If the bikes are neutralized, you are on the bike you picked and can upgrade it.
Standardizing a bike puts you on the bike the event selects. It may be only cosmetic for the event because you don’t have to own it for it to be there.
Standardizing a type of bike is a different setting again and you may be forced off a TT to a road bike.
I don’t know how (2) behaves, but in (3) you get credit for the TT bike as an upgrade.
You can pick both (1) and (2) to have fully neutral equipment.
Note that (1) currently doesn’t work and isn’t neutralizing bikes anyway.
I think this depends on whether the bike is neutralized which means all the performance characteristics are fixed, or if you’re on an assigned bike, which is not a neutralized bike. With a neutralized bike, all the characteristics of the bike you chose are overriden with fixed values, like in Zwift Games:
bike_grams : 1970
bike_cda_bias : -0.0048
front_wheel_grams : 900
front_wheel_cda_bias : -0.01
front_wheel_crr : 0.006
rear_wheel_grams : 1100
rear_wheel_cda_bias : -0.008Isn’t the issue that post v1.86, the SWorks SL8 with appropriate wheels will outperform everything bar the best aero bikes on pan-flat routes?
At least pre-upgrades. IIRC, the fully upgraded Aethos will be the best climbing bike again.