Elite Square smart frame

Looks like Elite have already upped the ante on smart frames, with belt drive, adjustable crank length and Rizer compatibility.

https://www.elite-it.com/en/products/home-trainers/ecosystem-accessories/square

Hi

All the specs I was thinking the Zwift Ride should have, but…
Am I the only one thinking that making it as ugly as possible was a part of the spec sheet while designing ? - it’s just ugly in any way :thinking:

BòóX

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Good job when you are sat on it you don’t need to look at it. I know it’s approx double the price of the Zwift ride but it looks a far superior product.

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I suppose that the ugly square is the main reason the bike has so much adjustment to it.
Wouldn’t like to ride it on the road, but as it would stay in the garage /den it would not matter.
As long as it does the job it’s designed to do.
Like most things Elite, it should work fine.

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And look at the price(which has only been announced for Europe)

That is cool and much more enticing than the Zwift version. The square channel is probably off the shelf and that helps keep costs down. Wonder if they built suspension into the corners? I would be inclined to spend a few $$ more for that design. Maybe when my H3 bites the dust…the Justo is on my replacement list…

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It certainly looks interesting. I like the fact it can be used with the Rizer, and the options for crank lengths. Belt drive will be nice and quiet.

The JetBlack Victory looks like it might shake up the trainer market too.

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Yep :wink:

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According to DC Rainmaker it is compatible with other trainers than Elite…
I was under the impression that the virtual shifting is related to the trainer ?

If this isn’t the case I will consider replacing my Neobike with a Tacx Neo2 or Neo3 with this frame attached ( I’m at a point where replacing my Neobike on warranty every 4-6 month is starting to be annoying… )

BòóX

Think we’ll be seeing more options in the coming months…

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Made with industry standard parts… choir bursts into song

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This one… is a little odd in my opinion. I may be missing something but it’s literally just a cheaper indoor-specific frame. Zwift RIDE would be a much better deal at that price compared to the Caveworks because of the integrated virtual shifting and ease of use.

The Elite Square uses its own virtual shifting. Everything is controlled via the Square app, meaning it isn’t compatible with Zwift’s virtual shifting.

Square has been tested with several trainers (Wahoo trainers, Garmin, Saris, Magene, etc) and so long as it uses the same freehub, it works.

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Using its own virtual shifting means it should be application independent without being locked in to a specific cycling app vendor.

The Caveworks device is more reparable by people who know how to fix a bicycle. You could change the cranks or the bottom bracket with industry standard parts.

Yeah. One annoying thing about it is that it requires the Square app to see your gearijg. No digital indicator like the Kickr Bike. Neither is there any indication of what gear you are on on Zwift (that I know of). I’ve been told the lack of screen has helped to keep the cost lower, which makes sense.

Ciao Oliver,
What you state is not correct the Elite Square app does not affect either the software or trainer level, its purpose is to display the gears, and to define the different user profiles you want to save.
Zwift like any other software connects to the trainer (if it’s an Elite trainer) and uses the same protocol as if square did not exist. It’ll be then the Square to manage the wirtual shifting on Zwift or on any other software.
If the Square is connected with a competitor’s trainer, then zwift or other software is connected to the Square and treats the Square as an interactive trainer by controlling it in ble ftms.
The Square always controls the trainer while the software does not

yes you’re right. The Square always controls the virtual shifting, on Zwift or in any other app

Ciao, yes you’re right. the Square controls the trainer, so any app (Zwift or others) won’t affect the trainer.
Zwift like any other software connects to the trainer (if it’s an Elite trainer) and uses the same protocol as if square did not exist. It’ll be then the Square to manage the wirtual shifting on Zwift or on any other software.
If the Square is connected with a competitor’s trainer, then zwift or other software is connected to the Square and treats the Square as an interactive trainer by controlling it in ble ftms.
The Square always controls the trainer while the software does not.
here’s why any trainer as long as it’s a direct drive and it communicates via FE-C, is compatible with Square and works smoothly with any software.

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Sorry, that’s what I meant but maybe it did not come across that way. When I said every is controlled by the Square app, I meant all of the gear settings and arrangements. Currently with the Zwift ride users can toggle those setting and control them via the Zwift hardware settings. Am I understanding this correctly?

yes if you’re using the combo Zwift ride and Wahoo core which is the only trainer compatible at the moment, the gearing profile is managed with Zwift app.
If you’re using the square, the gearings are set in the Square app

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