They are taking this into account. In your example, you would have 35,375 XP points at level 20 with 39,625 in the bank. You would need 1,125 XP to get to level 21, part of which would be used from your banked XP.
I agree with your maths/logic. I’m at level 43 and overall happy with a reduction in the xp required to move up a level and the additional levels. I’m going to assume by the time you and I get to level 100 our remaining unused banked xp will then help us level up quicker to 200.
Zwift has a very hard job balancing the requirements of every Zwifter. Those already with enough xp to be at level 200, 300 or 400 are mostly going to want to see their xp level recognised as well as see a speedier movement up the levels than those who have not yet reached the top level already.
The recent change I think is a positive for those of us at lower levels but IMO doesn’t really deal with the problem of how Zwift will continually resolve the issue of high xp level riders topping out new max levels on a regular basis. Constantly re-filling level 100 isn’t going to cut it for long and then the call will come again for yet more new levels.
If I have understood the system correctly my concern is the double xp on offer to those with three chevrons coming their way. Whilst they move from level 60 to level 100 they get double xp. Whilst we move from our level to level 100 we get only single xp (albeit with that accelerated 20% bonus using our own banked xp).
Much like in real life the rich getting richer and the general divide getting wider. I’m not sure how that helps resolve the levels issue in the long term.
Thanks Shuji and Zwift! After years of stuck at 50 I can’t tell you how happy this makes me. I could care less how it’s calculated just thankful for more levels! Repeating bar at 100 is a great idea. Quick question that I haven’t seen the answer to or had time to test: does accelerated leveling (double XP) that I’m qualified for apply to workouts as well as free rides? I assume yes, just wondering.
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Making the level progression smoother and aligning the quality of the equipment with the level makes total sense
Reducing the total XP required for the upper levels is bonkers to me. If I’m reading this correctly:
Old level 55 = 600k xp total
New level 100 = 591k xp
So, for someone starting fresh it’ll actually take them less time to max out than it used to. And for those of us at the upper levels, we will likely just cruise through the levels and sit at the cap again
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I wouldn’t see it like that.
for context, i was here when there were 25 levels and got stuck at 25 for ages, then when it got moved to 50 and got stuck there for years and then when it was increased to 60 i quickly got stuck there too. I have enough XPs to get from 1 to 100 about 5 times (and there are people out there with far far more than me!).
There will be people between 50 and 60 who are still getting accelerated XP they had accrued from being stuck at 50 so the double XPs is probably just an easy way to catch these people - they are still getting boosted from 50 to 60 in the old world and from 60 to 100 in the new world.
it really isn’t an “us and them” thing, trust me, you will need far far fewer XP to get to level 100 than I will!
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Perhaps the answer here is as follows, given you can’t fund from your Excess XP more than 20% of the XP required, e.g., 3,500 to move from New 27 to New 28 so net XP required being 80% of 3,500 = 2,800, to be funded from new riding, that your excess XP results in the 20% subsidisation remaining in place for longer until exhausted.
That is objectively untrue. You have “millions of banked XP” by your own admission and get to reap the benefits of double XP. You will coast from 60-100 in a few months while the 30-40 Zwifters will actually be slowed down hard.
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This indicates that I should be getting accelerated XP but I’m still getting 20 per km. Am I misunderstanding something with how this works?
it will have taken me 8 years to get from level 1 to 100 - you?
My take on it is that to move from 60-100 we both need exactly the same total of xp as laid out by the new xp per level amounts.
I will use some banked xp from my old level 43 excess under the accelerate scheme and the rest from single xp earnt riding.
You have plenty of banked xp so you will also have accelerated benefit but all of your riding will deliver double xp all the way.
When we both get to level 100 we will have earnt the same xp because that amount of xp is required to get to level 100.
However you will ride roughly half the number of miles than I to cover levels 60-100.
If we were to both ride exactly the same amount of miles each month you would get there roughly twice (20% accelerated xp bonus makes it not exactly 50%) as quickly as I. You would then have those additional months re-filling level 100 gaining extra xp before I get to level 100.
When I hit level 100 we will have ridden the same amount of miles during that period but you will have increased the difference between our xp levels. You get richer and the divide gets greater.
I’m not quite sure why those with huge amounts of banked xp, which helps them accelerate all the way to level 100, need that additional double xp. What benefit does the double xp add?
I think what Zwift is trying to achieve with new levels etc is great but I can’t see how the final finite number of levels end game is going to be resolved without upsetting those with millions of xp.
I meant far far fewer total XP.
sure if you start from today i’ll probably get there quicker but i have a total riding time of 152 days so from day 1 to level 100 I don’t think you could say i’m getting the easier route to the end
I disagree. I have been a player of The Simpsons Tapped Out for quite a while, and they stopped issuing new levels literally years ago. Long term players are “stuck” on the max level with the same kind of repeating XP meter. At the end of each fill you are awarded in-game premium currency.
The key for Zwift is making the reward for those repeated “level-ups” worth something … so if they can improve what is available in the Drop Shop and offer some genuine premium items (maybe at multi-millions of drops) that are desirable to long term players then problem solved.
If the drop shop offerings remain the kind of things they are now … not so much.
Absolutely agree. You have already ridden more miles and earnt more xp than anyone now, under new scheme, ever needs to do in the future to get to level 100. And yet you are still being asked to ride even more miles to get somewhere you should already be at if this scheme had been introduced 8/9 years ago.
My issue is that for riding 1km I get 20xp if you ride 1km you get 40xp.
That seems to be an inequality at a time when Zwift recently did away with the old km / mile inequality.
I really really don’t mind as I’m not sure I will ever get to level 100 I just wanted to question whether double xp is a long term levels pitfall.
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I reached level 60 yesterday, so I am happy about that announcement, as it will give something to go after in terms of progression!
Thanks Zwift!
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to be perfectly honest i would gladly not get double XP and not have any kind of 20% “discount” as for the vast majority of my time on zwift i have been sat at the max level and this will only make me get there quicker again! it is nice to see levels going up again if only for a brief time!
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I have 660894 XP today. I am level 57, which consumes 208000 XP in the new system, leaving me with 452894 XP in the bank. I am getting a 20% boost through level 97. From level 57 to 97 requires 354000 XP. 20% of that comes from my XP bank. That’s 70800 XP.
What is happening with the remaining 382094 XP I have in the bank?
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The Menu screen was only decreasing by 20xp per km. Guess the “level up discount” would explain it. Wish it were a little more clear but w/e, all I care about is fire socks and I’ll have those soon enough.
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All of this seems so unnecessarily complicated and convoluted. How many hours were spent dreaming this up and how many developers were required to make this happen? After about level 20, almost no one cares about earning prizes at certain levels.
The people who care about levels at all are the ones who want everyone to see how much they’ve been zwifting… a badge of honor if you will. Show me the current state of how much I’ve been zwifting. Not some crazy calculus on how much faster I’ll get to a certain level because I’ve already ridden quite a bit. Get rid of the arbitrary level limit and just show us where we’re at. Keep it simple and spend all of those developer hours fixing bugs and adding new roads and features.
I can see that your argument hinges from a place of seniority instead of understanding the numbers game that has been presented. Enjoy your seniority - you will have a very easy and unfair advantage getting to level 100 while I will have lost about a year’s worth of Zwift XP to the eternal void that we’re calling the bank. We will agree to disagree.
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