Changes to Pace Partners [May 2022]

Should be fixed in 1.26 (2nd week June)

Or "Changes to the JamesBots "

Wait… let me guess, June 8th? :wink:

James thank you for all that you do, the PPs have become an incredible and even critical component of riding on zwift and part of what has made this platform so successful. Tell Eric you deserve a raise!

I wanted to ask where we might be able to see the PP’s schedule for the following weeks? If you are swapping them around 20+ routes each week, and we have 7 PPs (x2 in Makuri), then that’s a lot of permutations isn’t it?

Honestly, I haven’t written them yet. I tend to set up the next weeks routes on a Wednesday.

I always post the new routes both here and on Zwift Riders.

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C. Cadence is broken. I guess this is a known issue. I’m on iPadOS. Today, I was biking over water and through mountains, after I clicked “Join C Cadence”. No other riders were around me. Bizzare.

I’ve seen this happen before (I don’t know why it happens).

Can you try force closing the app and trying again?

Oh yes, I force closed the app a couple of times. Each time however when I restarted the app and clicked to “Join C Cadence”, I was back biking over water and through mountains.

That’s odd. Sorry this happened to you.

I’ll let our developers know and see if there’s anything they can do.

Whilst I have heard of this happening, I haven’t seen much noise on it recently.

@James_Zwift My opinion as a light rider changes to Pace Partners especially on descents is a much improved feature. I know heavier riders will not understand why this is even required but from my perspective having to increase my effort to near FTP (CAT A) levels is not realistic when following a Pace Partner for CAT B or C’s. I gave up along time ago joining Anquetil for this reason but now I feel I can join this Bot if I want to do some sweet spot efforts. Thanks for your hard work on in my opinion improving Pace Partners :+1:.

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Definitely a bias towards large riders. It’s why I don’t like racing on Zwift

This assumes people know the off calendar hacks. Most don’t.

Where do you find this detail of routes and pace? I’m on Apple TV and there is no need information on routes and only pace partner information is for the world you’ve chosen.

Those details were/are visible to users who have the new home screen UI, which is not yet available on Apple TV.
The slow roll out of the new UI started early in 2022, when it was only to a very few PC users. If I recall correctly, it is hoped that it will be available to all users, finally, sometime in the summer. You can find more accurate information in the dedicated, monthly Forums threads on that subject. I think the most recent one is here.

Thank you.

Think this is the most appropriate place to mention:-

The New PP’s seem to have inherited their messaging dialogue from their forebears so I had Danny telling me about being Diesel powered… Not a big deal but it could be irksome if you ride across a number of pacers.

Also somebody asked what bikes the pacers were on - I wondered if it would make sense to match the pacersbike/wheel combos to those most commonly used by real zwifters at a similar level for a better aero / rolling resistance match?

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They’re on Zwift Aero / Carbon wheels whilst they earn the right to have better ones.

Fair shout re messaging.

James, I’ve noticed that the PPs’ w/kg on the joining menu change according to the pace they’re currently holding, so that a user wouldn’t know whether Danny’s pace is usually 2.0, 1.7, or 2.3w/kg.

Would it be a good idea to have each PP’s range as well or instead?

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Yep, noted (a few dozen times :rofl: )

We’re going to change this to average pace+speed. Probably late summer.

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Why dont you just add the steady pace in brackets after the name and make things a little easier from now?

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