Bounty Program. Lip service?

Sorry @Luciano_Pollastri_ZE

That was me being to fast.

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Could anyone be as fast with the Bug Bounty Program?
Yes, I am repetitive and resilient.
Could anyone from Zwift give a status update on the Bug Bounty program?
Even a “it has been deprioritized” is good

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If ‘sticky watts’ is an urban myth, then why is it available as an option in a form to officially denunciate suspicious riders?

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I realize this has already been discussed to death, but “Frequent weight changes” seems like a silly thing to even need to report, given that Zwift already have all the data about that and could make a decision without a report.

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Because “Sticky Watts” and “Micro Bursts” are two different things which some people keep mixing up.

Sticky Watts is exploiting the fact that some trainers/power meters do not send a signal if there is zero watts so Zwift maintains the last received wattage for 3 seconds afterwards. Sticky Watts is real and could be seen on the original Eddy Hoole video.

Micro Bursts is supposedly exploiting the Zwift algorithm by sprinting for a bit then backing off for a bit (not going to zero watts so not Sticky Watts) and repeating. Personally, I remain unconvinced that Micro Bursts provide any benefit.

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I was referring to a post on this thread regarding sticky watts beeing an urban myth.

Has the original thread which this was promised in been deleted?

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Ah cheers… more transparent than I give them credit for :laughing:

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Like I said “some people keep mixing up”

If I recall correctly Zwift’s position on Micro Bursts is that they don’t work. The poster you are quoting is mistaking Zwift’s position on Micro Bursts with Sticky Watts.

Is bad equipment a contributor to Micro Bursts? I thought it was bad equipment that enables ability to exploit sticky watts, but not necessary to have bad equipment to employ micro burst technique.

Microbursting did nothing for me. My hypothesis is that it’s basically the same thing as sticky watts (there is no doubt sticky watts really works with some equipment) perhaps exhibiting itself in a slightly different way on different equipment. Either way, you’re getting propulsion while not pedalling.

If it was intrinsic to the way zwift physics worked with a rider pedalling intermittently, it would surely work on all equipment, which it clearly does not. I don’t see how it can be anything other than a smoothing algorithm making the assumption of missing data. Which is exactly what sticky watts is.

I wouldn’t say it is bad equipment per se. It’s just the way some data streams are interpreted.

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Right, but I was replying to Aoi who indicated that the Zwift response that said that ‘spiky’ watts was a mythical advantage and was related only to bad equipment, was referring really to only microburst techniques. But I don’t think microbursting requires a specific ‘faulty’ type of equipment, so I read the Zwift response more likely related to the sticky watt phenomenon.

The zwift guy was at best confused/confusing, there is no doubt at all that sticky watts works on some equipment, it’s easy to see in action and supported by the trace on strava etc. where you get a flatline on the watts for about 3 secs even when the cadence has dropped to zero. I’ve had a teammate do it in TTTs and it’s very disconcerting to see them zoom past at a fixed 523W (or whatever) while not even pedalling. Then a brief 0W and they start pedalling again.

(Incidentally, I get sticky cadence with my setup - when I stop pedalling the cadence flatlines for about 3s while the watts drop sharply. Sadly this doesn’t help my speed, the deceleration starts immediately!)

For what it’s worth if I stop turning the cranks then i decelerate immediately on Kickr Bike with Bluetooth or ant+, it’s like the brakes were slammed on.

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Right… sticky watts only works with some trainers/power meters from what I understand. There’s an equipment requirement to have this ‘feature’.

Power meter pedals or cranks.

I thought it was an Ant+ thing that made the sticky watts work?

No, nothing to do with ANT+.