Zwift Camp: Baseline [November 2024]

4 × FTP
2 × FTP

Not done the 10 minute test yet, but 1.1 × FTP is my minimum target, and Endurance is definitely going to be my limiter.

I scheduled my Endurance Test for this Monday, 23-December. I coincided with the start of a TrainingPeaks plan which has a Day 1 FTP test. Now after researching the route/workout on ZInsider I see that it’s actually a 10 minute test. My question for the group:

If I ride to a 20min average that beats my previous, will I get a new FTP, or, because this is a special group workout, will the system only count my best 10 minutes?

I did the endurance elevator as a solo workout, not as a groupride, and after that I started another workout without stopping the activity and the workout is marked as completed but it doesn’t count in the baseline progress bar? Why is this? Do I need to do it again?

Regards and ride on!

Hope you can spare a few hundred watts for me! My 1 minute is rubbish. :wink:

Finished the last event of the Baseline series and still no email with my results. Also no spinback emails.

Hi there,

I just finished final stage 6 of Zwift Camp Baseline, Endurance Test aka. the Grade at quite some effort. Recording shows me 10-min avg power at 240 W which is a PR for me for 10 min power btw.
After having finished that route (got the baseline wheels unlock at the banner), i ended my ride back to main menu. After that I joined a robo pacer and then did some even more relaxed cool down ride at very low wattage. Only after I finished also that ride I got the eMail with my Basline Edurance Test report, which states I did a 10 min avg power of 65 W which is actually quite embarassing. I can only assume that your algorithm grabbed data from my following cooldown ride instead of the actual baseline test ride. Could you please have a look and possibly fix those data so that I do get both, a corrected baseline endurance test report and (which i did not get at all yet, btw) a Camp Baseline final report using corrected data.

Thank you, Camp Baseline was quite some fun, just until I got that “bad” result.

BR, Tobi

I did the elevation test at 6pm and got a mail about 10mins after with the current and previous 10 min bests

I was 1w shy of my previous best and after a stagnant couple of months I’m happy with that

I expected more from the test though, An onscreen prompt of where the 10 min effort was going to start would have been nice.

I went out a little hard in the lead in, set some sector PR’s in the first half of the grade and faded a bit in the last 25% of the climb…. Carried on for the rest of the lap and recorded a lap avg power similar to the ftp sign at the grade summit

me too. [quote=“Rob, post:126, topic:638952, full:true, username:Rob_Moore_5644”]
Finished the last event of the Baseline series and still no email with my results. Also no spinback emails.
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It would be great to get zwift responses to many of the pieces of feedback in this thread. It looks like they got the first part spot on (great workouts and tests, good prompts), but a lot of the rest of the event has been shoddy.

I’ve reallyn enjoyed it. But i wasnt really interested in the emails. If i was I’d be totally confused

Mine took two days to arrive. I feel it was wrong.
It says I am an all-rounder or versatile.
I am a sprinter and puncher (30 seconds to two minutes are my best overall)
I have very little endurance, so not that versatile.
Blame it on AI tech.

I just got around to reading the description (and purpose behind) the Endurance Test | Elevation Evaluation module of the Baseline series. “The goal is to establish your maximum 10-minute power on your way up The Grade segment.”

10 minutes constitutes an endurance test? And/or, what’s the point of requiring riding the last 20 kms of this route after the Grade is done, where I assume since it isn’t mentioned, that your performance during these 20km isn’t looked at?

That’s what confused me, it would have been nice to have had a screen prompt to say when the 10 was starting. Getting up the lump was a bit longer than 10mins and power dipped in the mid section where it flattened out so a 10 min block either side of the flat wasn’t a max effort. I ended up keeping a steady tempo for the lap incase it took the 10 from anywhere else on course.

I was coming on here to complain about the same thing. First, I did not know that the goal was a 10-min best power. I first saw that when I was browsing Zwift Insider. I see now that if you scroll through the events on your Companion app, the event description is to establish your 10-min max power. I selected the stage as a free ride on the Zwift main app, and I saw no such description. That’s fail 1.

Fail 2 is that you’ve established that the Grade is supposed to estimate your FTP, and that means climbing the full Grade. It’s counterintuitive to have people do this as a 10-min effort. I’m sure it was said in the on-screen text messages during the group ride. Not everyone did this as a group ride, and there were no text prompts.

Fail 3 is as said above, your standard critical power testing method needs a 3-5 min effort and a 12-15 min effort. 10 minutes is a bit short. Yes, you will get an estimate out of this, but it may or many not be the most robust estimate.

I can report the same behavior. I did the Zwift Camp Baseline, Endurance Test group ride, did a 10min effort up the Grade and then right after finishing the route I joined a robopacer ride. No email came about the results of the Endurance Test while I was doing the robopacer ride, which seemed strange but after I finished the robopacer ride I got the email.

10min avg power was a lot lower than what I managed in the test and thought that maybe I was supposed to still do the whole Grade and not just 10 min best. But after checking the power curve of both rides, it seems like it just grabbed the best 10min power off the last ride I finished and not the Endurance Test :frowning:.

Interestingly I already got a “Baseline Performance Report” email 4 days before this ride and got the awards now but very buggy behavior overall.

None of these problems should suprise anyone, I’ve largely stopped participating in all of Zwifts “special missions/challenges” like the baseline camp. For one, they usually don’t fit into my normal training routine (but that is specific to me, not the masses on Zwift) and secondly they are never executed correctly. There are always issues, bugs, poor communication, etc… I don’t want to invest my time in completing something that gives out poor, incorrect, confusing metrics at the end. I often wonder why they even try anymore after all the continued failures. Sorry to be such a downer… I guess I learned my lesson a long time ago.

I did a couple of the rides just to get the unlocks I wanted and didn’t finish the rest. I get the reminder emails about finishing the rest and just delete them.

It’s be nice to be able to leave the challenge just as you can leave challenges on Strava.

The other rides in the challenge aren’t useful to me and don’t fit in with the training I’m doing.

and get rid of the tiles on the home screen too!

There are now too many challenges on the main menu.

At the top an enormous Rapha tile, then further down 10 (!) tiles of no interest at all.

After waiting for the report to arrive in my mail box, I can say one thing…… it should have gone to junk.

It’s woefully inadequate as a report!

It tells me my strength is versatility and my weaknesses is endurance in about 2 sentences and suggests checking out new training plans.

No breakdown of tests , no details of what could be improved

As for the endurance needing work, still can’t see how a confused 10 minute effort constitutes endurance, at least the group ride had 30 mins of work where you knew what was expected and when.