What is the worst Zwift World, and why is it New York?

i know it’s heresy, but i like NYC. it can be a little boring with the looping, and i totally agree with the neokyo comment on zwiftinsider, but the rolling terrain is awesome. the esses in watopia is the only other “rolling” section i can think of (maybe titan’s grove counts, too).

if you’re just trying to sit on the trainer and hold a pace, i can see why rolling is annoying – but to me, rolling means i have to pay attention and adjust to the road like i do outside.


NY is probably the most similar terrain as I have locally where I live in Michigan, lots of rolling hills and trees.


A lot of them, e.g. Yorkshire, Innsbruck……. possibly Richmond, though I suspect it may prove to be irredeemably, irretrievably dull……… would benefit from having a few extra turnings / route options. Yorkshire must have more than 3 roads. And the roads it does have all seem suspiciously straight.

For an actual “riding through alleys and streets” experience, you’d have to pay attention to red lights, cabs stopping wherever to pick up or set down passengers, delivery riders going the wrong way, parked cars in the bike lane, tourists in the bike lane… If you want a good approximation of that, Hustle City is pretty good, but it has the same problem as the real thing: you can’t go as hard as you might want to without crashing.

I still hold that the rolling terrain of the surface loop (I never bother with the upstairs) is good exactly because it never gets boring thanks to the constant gradient changes, unlike a completely flat route or a longer climb, and there aren’t really any other similar routes on Zwift. (Titan’s Grove comes close, but you still have to pair it with some snoozefest to make a lap, and the continuous climb/descent is too long.)


Yes, New York getting a little Public Affection!

Suspiciously straight? They’re all very real! I recommend you go ride the course in real life one day. I’m totally biased, but Harrogate is a lovely town and the cycling around there is brilliant.

While expanding the Eastern half of the Yorkshire map would be quite urban, expanding the western half to the north, west or south would be amazing. I doubt it’ll ever happen though.

What they could do as a quick win is to connect the two places where the roads get closest. The first would allow you to go straight ahead at the top of the KOM to connect with the first climb, creating a climb from the lowest to highest point on the course. The second would be a road which goes from the mini-roundabout halfway up the KOM, off to the left towards the sprint point. That would create a “Valley Gardens loop” which would be constantly up or down with NO flat - ideal for everesting.


OK @Dan_Dube, you’re actually selling me on NYC now! I’m relatively new to Zwift and generally just badge hunting but I do love rolling terrain like Titan’s Grove… I guess I need to give NYC’s surface routes more of a chance and avoid the elevated sections.

Agreed here.

NY is my least favorite world too.

  1. Annoying spiky terrain devoid of flat options.
  2. Small.
  3. A bit of a fail on what could have been done. As many have said, riding over the bridges taking in the real skyline would have been epic.
  4. Of all the cities in the world, someone thought NY was the one that needed a visual upgrade… clearly, that person needs to travel a bit more.

I do commend the attempt at the sci-fi element. It was a fun idea. If excecated on superior terrain it would likely be much more popular.

Personally, if I was re-doing it. I’d bin the sky rd entirely or make it a lap of the whole island. Even more fun, run the imaginary road low on the water, like the ferry around the island and do a lap of the Statue of Liberty. Then, add in times square and other famous spots.

If you really do want make believe. Let us ride to the top of the Empire State Building. Boom. You can have that for free :grin:


I guess it would be more interesting in real life. It’s just that on zwift, long straight roads don’t really do it for me. It just seems to me that both Yorkshire and Richmond are only on there because some world championships or other were there once. Maybe if I’d watched it on Eurosport or wherever it was I’d have been a bit more excited about either or both of these zwift worlds.

The Richmond full race is on Youtube…at the very least watch the last lap which shows Sagan at his finest. Yorkshire has highlights on youtube…one video is the last 12 KM…or the last 33 KM in French.

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thanks for the suggestion – i just watched the last 5k, and it was pretty awesome to know where on the course everything was happening! and when sagan came around that last bend and still had 600m to go – i’ve been there, man. i’ve felt that. it HURTS!

Was not a fan of NY until I did the Gotham Grind Reverse route, totally changed my opinion about NY. The downside is that it is event only. Such a shame that a really great route is not available to free ride.

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New york is great fun for racing, not so much free riding as Watopia is really the best but i think each world has it’s good and bad points and the main thing i look for is variation. Other than watopia i just don’t want to repeat the same course too much.


Are French Kilometres shorter?

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Exactly my question!

fwiw, the Astoria Line8 route is pretty similar


Thank you, worth knowing, will give it a go.

fyi, not sure a reverse on this route is available though.

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Using Zwift Pref app, it is possible to choose any world anytime as well as any route.
Zwift map app is a nice scalable map overlay to help learn the world’s and routes.
I suggest this because Gotham Grinder is a very simple figure 8 route with just a few turns.

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Good call, be a good challenge to navigate around.