Sauce for Zwift

Irrelevant, they are identifiers as clarified in GDPR legislation and CAN be used to identify an individual.

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i can see the concern but I see no solution other than completely anonymising user data which means you might as well shutdown zwift racing and race against a bunch of bots.

users themselvces can take steps to prevent things if they want e.g using fake name, don’t signup for zwiftpower, don’t race would be my recommendations.

Others do.

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I didn’t say anything about Zwift data, I speaking specifically about 3rd parties like Sauce.

I’d rather people don’t try to misrepresent what I’m asking, it’s quite clear what I’m saying from the thread above.

Again, missing the point. I want to know what data protection is in place for 3rd parties… Apparently that’s a bad thing.

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As difficult as it is, the use of the data and the integrity of data needs to be separated.

We all get that Zwift have failed to provide tools to the community so they have had to do their own thing, thus providing useful tools.

Zwift has a legal requirement to ensure data integrity is upheld, regardless of how minor people consider that data.

At some point, there will be a clash of the 2

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Besides, me running Sauce won’t reveal your IP address.

You’re trying to distract now.

How so? You brought up IP addresses as an area of concern.

By picking on specific elements of an overall argument and removing the context to argue against the big picture.

Also, you’re ignoring replies that have answered your points.

I agree but when user data is so fundamental to what Zwift is we might as well just close down zwift and ride staring at a wall if people are really concerned at the level of data that can be scraped by sauce, zp or who knows how many other apps and apis that are pulling data from zwift.

if people have concerns i suggest they stop racing now and don’t use any real names etc on zwift. block followers etc. These are some pretty easy steps if people really have concerns nobody needs to know who you are on zwift.

Gordon. None of this is relevant at all. Nobody is suggesting Zwift should be shut down, they just want to know how 3rd parties are processing and storing their data. It’s a legitimate concern and to overreact to such a wish is silly.

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What have I ignored?

I’m just responding to your concerns. Names are not unique. A person riding on Zwift with a given name might not even have that name in real life, or could be one of hundreds of people with the same name. IP addresses “could” in some senses be relatable to a person, but Sauce won’t have access to anyone’s other than the person running the software.

I think worrying about a piece of standalone software “processing” data that is public is misplaced concern.

But I appreciate you feel differently and have those concerns, so I’ll leave it there. :ride_on:

We look at this differently - This isnt on a end user to fix or workaround. Its also a fair question to ask around data security and integrity.

At the end of the day, If I follow Zwifts T&C’s, the least I can expect the company to do is follow their own legal requirements & T&Cs alongside me.

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I do, but I could get your info whether I do or not.

That answers your resistance to this then

No you’re not responding to my concerns. You’re trying to defend your position… Very different.

All of the information is identifying data, as defined by GDPR. I was trying to approach this in a passive way but I can just approach the ICO and ask them to investigate!

Yes Zwift probably should have blanket policy on signup to confirm you agree to some level of user data being shared.

If that’s the ask here this thread should be closed as bringing sauce specifically into this discussion is side-tracking the real ask around user data

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No, the ask is knowing HOW 3rd parties process the data. That is a legal requirement

No not really. I’m struggling to understand your point. Any one could collect data that is available during gameplay and store that in a database. You are making that information available by playing Zwift. If every 3rd party had to have a policy in place for using your data, that would mean every user would have to have such a policy.

There might be a genuine legal concern, but the vast majority of GDPR discussions like this are completely missing the point… you have explicitly chosen to share this data to all other Zwift users through the Terms and Conditions.

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