That makes sense–to be clear, I’m not saying there isn’t any data we can use to try to figure out intentions in any way 
I’m just asking what that data is.
That was my point in this thread.
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My very first question on the thread was how can you report riders? I remember sticky in the old zwiftpower days did an excellent job policing the system. Sometimes sanctions were given others he gave riders benefit of the doubt. Who does this now?
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sticky will probably still do it as long as it’s a KISS event since he still runs those, and it’s clear cut. in general you will probably have more success appealing directly to the organiser of the event than to zwift
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I’m surprised to see races shorter than 20 minutes (TT excluded) give this is road cycling related.
The races I used to run were at least 30 minutes plus 2 laps.
A: 50min plus 2 laps
B: 40 min plus 2 laps
C: 35min plus 2 laps
D: 30 min plus 2 laps
Those were IRL on a fairly short course. Sign held out for 2 laps to go, bell for final lap.
One corner was very sharp. Usually windy course conditions too.
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super sprint races (4-12km, often with double draft on) are useful and pretty fun training tools that sort of emulate a keirin. queue a couple of them up and the time in between riding easy with a pace partner or whatever… a nice productive day of sprinting.
although they’re usually mass start so i don’t know why you’d bother entering as anything other than A anyway.
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I agree. It depends if your goal is ranking points or medals 
On the 4km LaGuardia races, coming almost last in A usually gets much better ranking points than winning C. The winning C usually holds onto the A pack until the final sprint, so it’s the same race either way.
That’s interesting. Either way, you’re still chasing status, right? It’s just status in that race vs status in the larger rankings.
I can see the appeal of saying “I won that race” vs “I went from 11,356th to 11,354th”. 
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Where are the commissaires to tell C grade to drop back from A? 
That shouldn’t be allowed.
More likely each grade shouldn’t get the draft from the other.
In an “all cats together” “same time starts” race it’s perfectly allowed and up to the race organisers how they want to set up their races. And it’s also rather good fun.
Let me find you an example…
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As a Cat C I hang out with the Cat A’s (and B’s) as long as I can in “Same time starts” races, which usually lasts till the first climb but sometimes it’s longer. It’s great for self-improvement plus most C’s cant hang on for the first couple of minutes of power the A’s and B’s put out so the few of us C’s that can, get a massive advantage for as long as we can hang on to the draft. It’s all about using the tools that Zwift serve up.
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D’you know what? I’ve never thought about it like that. Sometimes I’ve raced for ZP ranking points, other times for medals to see if I could win. Usually goal based. Either “try to win” or “try to get in the ZP top 100” etc. I guess trying to get top 100 is status, but I’m fairly sure nobody gives a rodent’s rear-end whether I’m top 100 or bottom 100 It’s just personal achievement.
For sure, I didn’t mean to talk about status pursuit as negative either. I charge like a maniac through every sprint segment in part because I like seeing the little green jersey next to my name on the list
I think both can be motivating–I’m an upper C right now…a C+, if you will. And while I haven’t won anything, I’ve gotten top 10s, which is cool. But I’d also feel some pride if I catted up too, and being able to say I was a B. And yeah, in the end very few people end up caring about the ranking of any particular person, but I’m okay with still being motivated by small bits of status.
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