I noticed yesterday riding with Maria that the majority of the group was in the center of the road, not sure if this was meant to fix that?
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So, it seems weāre back to cheating players again. Those with steering enabled are once again constantly pushed aside, riding to the left or right of the group. You claimed to have tested this for months lmao but weāre right back where we started, screwing over everyone using steering. Zwift, you should truly be ashamed of yourselves.
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From a quick look, groups do seem to ride in a narrowed centre position on the road.
Is this not going to open up supertuck on descents (when doing >57kph and >3% descent gradient) for those with steering on the left and right, but alongside a group?
If it is significantly better/different wouldnāt it be Pd6
Unless there are differences in the behaviour depending on which steering devices you have, then absolutely right, Iām using Kickr Bike and get shoved to the side (and out of the pack) all the time and then steering back is very sluggish.
Also steering away from the pack (so you can overtake without blocking) is similarly very slow until you get about 1 bike width away and āescapeā the steering restrictions.
I know I should video the entire 1.5 hour Constance group ride to prove this happens, but it does.
Also way easier to overtake out of the draft, you donāt need to use as much power. The difference in the lack of āblockingā between in the draft of other riders (blocked) and out of it (no blocking) is pretty big. The blocking effect really needs to be reduced.
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Pack Dynamics still seems off. When doing a race with steering disabled, several of us had the issue of constantly getting pushed to the centerline and out of the draft. It has been a huge issue during the ECRO races.
I also notice that the behavior of the blob is and has been unrealistic on descents. Its like zwift is taking the weight of the entire group to determine speed. If a chasing riding is putting out more power on the downhill than the lead group rider that is cutting the wind, they should be catching up, not falling further behind.
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This makes sense. I thought I was lagging, itās quite annoying.
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I completely agree that the blocking needs to be reduced. The rider in front slows down or leaves a gap. You push harder to stay with the group, but you just get stuck behind. Then they suddenly he speeds up and ride away, leaving you in the dust!
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There is a balance though because this happens all the time when racing outside.
But thatās not because an algorithm is putting a virtual block on you, thatās because you physically cannot do more power to move forward or on tge other case youād crash into the person in front.
In Zwift, itās just a computer function saying that regardless of the power you a putting out, youāll be blocked from going forward, and the rider behind will push you to the side as well, for added fun.
I spent 1.5h today with the Constance group getting pushed from one edge of the road to the other like a pinball. Disabling steering from the pairing screen didnāt seem to help. I frequently got left out at the side of the road.
I just teleported multiple times back to the robopacer to avoid fighting that. That also avoided the blocking effects.
These things have all been reported for a long time by others so reporting again here probably wonāt achieve much.
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I understand the frustration but itās possible to break the draft in zwift and itās possible to sprint around a rider leaving a gap in real life.
They havenāt got the balance right but the idea that if someone slows up you should just drift through them isnāt the answer.
The real fun is when people start to realise you can break the draft on a single rider by stopping pedalling for a few seconds.
To me it feels perfect I have done 2 races and 10h weeks robopacer and it feels spot on. Good job.
I think that people need to learn how to move in a group.
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Iāve seen you mention that before here and elsewhere and I tried it after reading it a few times. I suffer from being bullied out of the pack a lot, perhaps seeking some tiny draft from a side rider instead of nestling in to the pack draft. Also getting gapped off occasionally. So Iād like to figure it out, can you describe precisely what you do and what the goal is?
Seemed like the goal is to reset the draft-seeking / center-seeking so it finds stronger draft vs following someone to the side or sitting out there alone, is that correct? And what I tried was to stop pedaling completely for around 3 seconds of zero watts, but, it didnāt seem to work.
Iāve got Play controllers currently paired and steering available but would like to be able to just sit in a group on Tempus in the draft without requiring steering input. Seems like a simple goal but is somehow impossible at the moment.
Holy hell. This still has not been fixed?! @James_Zwift Come on guys. Weāve been complaining about this for more than a year. You know this is unfair for people without steering. Whatās the excuse for not fixing this?
Experiment
- clear your draft by not pedalling.
Ride at an average wattage above the rider in front, which under normal circumstances would mean you travel faster than they do. Stop pedalling for 1-2 seconds. You keep the speed but drop the sticky draft. When you start to overlap them, you pedal again to keep speed.
It starts to look like a stutter step pedalling techniqueā¦ and sticky speed.
I assume that the game decides you arenāt doing enough watts to be in the draft BUT hasnāt recaculated speed.
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You might want to read that post again. Heās talking about a race where no one has steering. So there isnāt any unfairness towards the people without steering.
With ECRO Chasing Yellow done Iāve got a lot of robopacer time coming up. Iāll give it a shot. Thanks
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YOU may want to read my post again. I am not talking about that race alone. I am talking about an issue thatās been plaguing small-group racing for a while now. They promised a fix with the next PD update. Yet here we are, still with this issue not being fixed. I have teammates in ladder races who donāt have steering and they suffer solely because of this issue.
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It feels like you are complaining about a feature and not a bug. Having steering in a steering-enabled race should probably be beneficial, or there isnāt any point to it.
So consider that there might not be any desire to fix it.
You are completely missing the point. We are not talking about steering not having an advantage. We are talking about people who donāt have steering, not being able to draft behind riders who have steering, when there are no corners to cut. I have no problem steering giving someone an advantage by letting them pick the optimal line through a corner, but itās ridiculous that someone without steering is pushed out of the draft of a steering rider on straight road at the same power.
FIX THIS ALREADY!
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