NPE Runn - incline data and incline certified runs

Running
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Hi,

Now that NPE Runn is commercially available (I ordered mine, and will pick it up from the delivery point tomorrow), do Zwift plan to do the following :

  • include incline data from the NPE Runn in the FIT file
  • distinguish between an “incline certified” and “non certified incline” run. For example, an “incline certified” run would be when the Zwifter’s footpod or cadence detector on the NPE Runn confirms that the user is actually running AND the NPE Runn incline measurement is the same as the incline requested by Zwift (within an acceptable 5 second delay for example)

:slight_smile:

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include incline data from the NPE Runn in the FIT file

This will probably happen at some point.

distinguish between an “incline certified” and “non certified incline” run. For example, an “incline certified” run would be when the Zwifter’s footpod or cadence detector on the NPE Runn confirms that the user is actually running AND the NPE Runn incline measurement is the same as the incline requested by Zwift (within an acceptable 5 second delay for example)

I doubt it, it would be like Zwift certifying 100% on the difficulty slider for biking.

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Hey Paul,

Yeah, I keep my fingers crossed. I think it would be nice to have the incline certified feature. Of course, even better is direct treadmill incline control, but there’s a lot of difficulties with that as many people have already posted on that (e.g. older Nordic Track possible via wifi and websockets, but bluetooth closed down, etc.)

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I HIGHLY doubt you will see any kind of incline certification feature within Zwift. They don’t do it for cycling so I see no reason they would do it for running.

Elevation control could happen, but will take working with the treadmill manufacturers to get it accomplished.

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Hey Paul,

Yes, I understand if they don’t do it for cycling, they won’t do it for running either :slight_smile:

I keep my fingers crossed with the incline control. My concern is that some treadmill manufacturers like Nodic Track (I have a Nordic Track Commercial 2450) will prefer to tie in their user base to their iFIT subscription, and thus never want to work with Zwift. I hope my concerns are wrong :slight_smile:

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I just heard from Zwift:

We aren’t safely able to control resistance of the treadmill or the gradient of the treadmill while a zwifter is running. Changing those things has the potential to seriously injure our members. Because we aren’t able to adjust those things we don’t track elevation in Zwift. This is something that we have been working on figuring out, but until then we wont be able show elevation in zwift while running.

I asked some clarification on the ‘resistance’ and then got this:

To re-clarify, we aren’t able to safely adjust the gradient or speed of the treadmill from our end to simulate traveling uphill. Without being able to guarantee our members safety while being able to simulate the effect in the real world, it’s not something that Zwift is willing to risk

It’s disappointing.
I’m not mistaken my speed uphill is equal to the one on flat terrain am I?
Prog doesn’t show a proper profile (there isn’t in cycling, for years, indicating Zwift doesn’t understand their users). No elevation gain/loss. Even if it’s ‘theoritical’ (data from the program compared with received from user) it can be nice. No VAM. All so easy to do.
Running is of secundairy importance. But will not grow when nothing’s done to make it more attractive.
Is there any other software that works with elevation?

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I understand the safety part, but why is Zwift not giving out some sort of document, where the user decides if he wants automatically adjustment for Speed and incline? So if the users confirm this is ok, everyone is responsible for himself and for those members it should be unlocked then.
Just an idea…

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Totaly agree with all of you who want zwift to controll incline on the treadmil. Everyone tried this on kinomap knows this is not dangerouse it works flawless. Why on earth is zwift responsible for me using such feature. What we do in our life is our responsibility. And a treadmill is not changing speed or incline that fast. Answer to this is simple - Implement it :slight_smile: It will make zwift optimal.
Include all disclimers in the world and let the runner choose this :slight_smile:

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