New HUD vs Sauce

Initially, I’m a bit disappointed that the new HUD stats don’t show up during workouts. Then, thinking out loud: how is it possible that a $2 third-party add-on, created just for fun, can outperform what Zwift is doing, even with the price increase from $15 to $20… just saying, LOL.

No New HUD in workout mode:

Playing a bit with Sauce flexibility:

If you want a straight answer…

  1. Make Sauce work on every Zwift platform as a hobby project for $2.
  2. The price of Zwift is not simply the price of HUD coding.
  3. We have no idea what it actually costs them to enhance the product they have. You can guess about the effort of a greenfield project that doesn’t have 10 years of baggage and even then I think most of those guesses are BS.
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TBH I was disappointed there is no Ave W/kg option.

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If the new HUD had rolling average power for a few time durations, I expect the number of racers using Sauce to not exceed pen thresholds would plummet. :wink:

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Indeed. That was one I was expecting to be there also.

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If we look at the worked done by third party vs Zwift, we can see what have Zwift achieved.

Oh and Zwidt just turned 10 years old. Look at the things it haven’t achieved.

Sauce Hud done by 1 person vs Zwift HUD. Sauce if much more flexible and contain much more field options.

ZRS vs ZR.app. ZRS been in the work for over a year. It doesn’t factor terrain type. Riders isn’t adjusted to phenotypes. And ZR.app is also created by 1 person vs a team of employees.

Zwiftpower. Done by 2 people. We wouldn’t even have meaningful racing with out them. Zwift buys it and 0 improvements over the years.

Zwiftgps: Created by 1 person. We go bonkers when Zwift creates a new route from old roads. But a third party app already can create infinite amount of new “rebel routes”. Why is this even a third party feature?

Zwifthack. Easy to navigate interface to find a course, distance, race type and rides. Good luck figuring out when the next ven-top ride is from companion app and Zwift.com

But we love the new font.

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Are you thinking of Roadcaptain? Or did Zwiftgps get some new functionality?

I think you are right!

I believe Zwift, in some way, is culturally inclined to frustrate its customers, seemingly attempting to prove them wrong. To offer what no one seeks, and to deny what is most often requested. Since 2017, there have been requests for an elevation profile graph tailored to the route being ridden. Something as basic as this elevation profile:

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After all these years, Zwift introduces a half-baked tangential requested feature: Climb Pro. It’s only half-baked because what makes Garmin’s Climb Pro so useful isn’t just the elevation graph and gradient percentage—it’s also the crucial distance to the end of the climb (and all the other data), which helps manage efforts effectively, but not, it shows the route distance to finish instead :frowning:

The graph has an impressive visual appeal, yet it holds little practical value for me.

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It is kind of useless if you don’t know the length of the climb from before. It could be 2km or 200m. Who knows.

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I’m VERY pleased with the new HUD. My primary wish was for the AVERAGE during a session, and it gives it: in watts. I prefer this readout to W/KG anyway (for Strava records) and it’s simple maths to know what they correspond to.

Yes extending this to a workout would be sweeter.

I like other things in Sauce (chat on screen, drafting percentage), but it’s not as imperative.

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The HUD should be fully customizable.

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I’d like the option to disable the climb graph, I find it annoying.

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Indeed, Zwift’s customer base has long requested a fully customizable HUD that allows us to select what we wish to see or not. It seems Zwift understands our desires better than we do, humorously enough.

Thanks to Sauce, I finally got all the info I need, but I would appreciate having options to choose what to see from Zwift HUD; I cannot entirely eliminate the Zwift HUD “letter H” due to the amounts of workouts I do.

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Hi, can you share your json profile for sauce? Looks dope!

Sure, no problem! I tried sending it via Zwift messages, but unfortunately, files aren’t allowed there. If you’d like, you can share an email address, and I’ll send it to you that way.

By the way, I’m using an older app, WinSplit, to resize the Zwift window to the right so the Sauce overlay doesn’t interfere with the Zwift standard, workout, and climb portal HUDs.

It would be cool to have a community managed GitHub repo for sharing the json files and a snapshot

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Thank you! Can you paste content of file to pastebin and provide link here? Maybe some people would love to use it as well :slight_smile:

Let me know if it works.

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The Sauce discord server has a channel for sharing profiles as well.

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