I get what your position is. My point is that if you’re going to label people as whiners because they are logging complaints about the actions of others, and you’re coming into that thread to complain about their logging complaints…you see where I’m going with this.
People here have stated why they are upset, and you have stated why you aren’t. You aren’t going to convince anyone at this point, so your posting here just amounts to complaining about complaining. And you’re free to do that, I won’t tell you to leave or stop. But it’s the two spiderman meme.
Is Zwift doing anything to stop riders abusing the teleport feature? For example, repeatedly teleporting to the top of Ven-Top then coasting down thereby accumulating miles, XPs, and equipment upgrades with zero effort?
‘Necessary’, no. Personally I view this thread as just a train wreck I can stare in wonder at now. But one way to try to get someone (a company) to do something about a thing (and it sometimes works) is to continue to badger them about it. They definitely won’t do anything if no one says anything, right? Will they do anything anyway? No idea.
The way I see it, this thread should long ago have been understood as the place to point out the people gaming the system and to try to prod Zwift into action, for better or worse. No further information about Halo bikes is going to be passed on in this thread So people who are coming here to complain about the complaining are bringing it on themselves.
And I don’t mind–complainers and complaint-complainers can complain away. It’s just portraying the other side as being whiners that is more than a bit silly.
That attitude is just sweeping the problem under the carpet. If nobody says anything then the problem doesn’t exist then great, no problems, especially if one is using the hacks themselves.
The cheating continues to go on and at ridiculous levels so it until it is stopped we have to keep raising the problems.
If I had my way I’d be naming the teams responsible with screenshots, dates and times so you can know which people you are racing against cannot be trusted because they are misusing the teleporting or they are mysteriously zooming around on Zpower (I noticed one doing that - and the person might be in this discussion here).
And it would be organised in a way so you can see who out of them are the worst offenders.
But that isn’t what this forum is, according to Zwift. Zwift support is where potential cheating allegations belong, not here.
This thread, by its title, is not about questionable mileage shortcuts. You are free to start one if you choose.
PS I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to see a list of all racers involved in this ‘dropping’ action.
You can post it online separately ( in your blog/instsagram/etc and post a link to it.) But you are not allowed to post it in Zwift forums.
I have at least a dozen photos myself.
But perhaps this will be handled by today’s update. ( probably not)
Fun.. let’s do quotes:
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
versus
“Repetition is the mother of learning, the father of action, which makes it the architect of accomplishment"
Unfortunately a lot of people believe it is perfectly acceptable to engage in unfair and dishonest behaviour, as their response in that huge topic demonstrates.
More disappointing is that some of major offenders are the top level racers.
Look through a few races. People’s pwr readings, hr, weight +++
Getting a bike that gives you a 5 second advantage over an hour is really the least of the problem, and since your actually displaying that bike, it’s pretty transparent
Irrelevant - you do the upgrades properly the way folks like me or Cat Allen are, by actually riding for many hours, rather than sitting at your keyboard and doing hacks.
These hacks are cheating, and saying that cheating in racing means cheating for bike upgrades is okay isn’t right. Nor would it be right if, “hypothetically” you were using Zpower to get an advantage.
When I had to upgrade the Tarmac SL8 I spent weeks doing that, but it was all done properly.
You cannot see if the bike is Level 0 or Level 5. Level 5 Halos are the fastest in game for most courses with the exception of fully vertical courses like the Alpe.
So people who are coming here to complain about the complaining are bringing it on themselves.