Zwift put two starting gates at the top of the Alp and Ventoux. I don’t see how starting at the top is cheating or that any users should be “banned”. (Banned from racing? Maybe.)
If Zwift made the requirements mileage rather than time or altitude, then they should have foreseen this quagmire.
Still have that option here.
Than why isnt Zwift acting according to that TOS ?
It has been known since day 1 that this was possible and we are now 6 weeks into it.
Could it not be that, like @Matt_Wheeler says above, they see more benefits than things they should fix in the eyes of some here ?
Wasn’t available earlier for me..
If you made the move from ‘Zwift has done nothing’ to ‘Zwift thinks it’s not against the rules’, then you’d have to claim Zwift doesn’t think bots zooming around Watopia at 10w/kg is against their rules.
There are plenty of things that violate TOS that they do nothing (or very little) about, and plenty that violates other rules as well that continues to happen with little enforcement. That is an entirely separate issue.
isn’t everything when it comes to zwift implementing stuff?
It could have been, in fact, it would be so simple. Downhill distances & elapsed times only count after realistic uphill ‘data’. They run AI-driven analytics, so they can. Period.
I’ve been riding 15+ hours a week since this update and still don’t have a single bike at level 5, just saying. I think if I put all my upgrades together I’d probably have 1 bike at level 5, and a 2nd bike at level 3, maybe 4 now. But the point is, these upgrades take a long time.
Cat rides like 25+ hours a week and only just got the Specialized halo bike; that’s well into 100 hours of ride time.
That’s kind of saying a lot I think, as to how much “time” the teleport/descent folks are putting in.
Seeing as how they’re rolling at faster speeds than the vast majority of any normal human being are while riding “normal”…
Think about it for a second, and you’ll realize how/why this is no different than running a bot at 6+w/kg nonstop. You’ll likely realize folks are doing teleport and descents for upwards of 2 straight days / 50+ hours… not to even mention the folks at 1000kg, descending at speeds of 60+mph.
If that doesn’t convince you how/why a lot of us are calling it cheating, then I guess there’s no convincing.
It took me about 10 days to upgrade the Aethos completely. I could have done it sooner if I did 2000m daily but that’s a tough ask.
The distance based upgrades like Tarmac SL8 takes ages for folks like me who don’t do hundreds of kms of teleport cheating daily - sitting at their desk doing multiple repeats.
Further more, some of the folks doing this dropping know it’s bad because they delete or hide these rides. Or they do it as a private event so they cannot be seen.
I just started level 3 of the SL8.
I don’t ride Zwift every day, it was 18 days between level 2 and level 3.
I’ll get there when I get there.
Like this:
He had a lot more of those rides done but appears to have deleted them. I was doing a week of Ventop climbing and noticed him doing these drops and now those rides have vanished magically.
One was a 25 March ride with more than 190km - now gone, but I have screenshots.
I don’t suppose any of you could ride at that speed in real life for 190km+.
If I did that IRL it would be 6 hours with undulating course I ride. If I did it in Zwift on Tempus probably 5 hours.
That’s a disturbing amount of distance for the time.
Maybe we should do like what James Bailey asked, and just absolutely inundate him with emails about literally everyone spotted.
That might be the best to go from indeed.
We all have our opinions, and even while I do agree with most things of you, on some points I just dont. And we all read what we want to read and ignore the things we dont like or dont want to aswer. I am guilty of that myself also.
So I am going to leave it at that. Hopefully you all get to upgrade your beloved frames quickly so there is no more advantage of people who did them differently.
See you all on a road on Zwift.
You’re, probably intentionally, missing the point.
People who upgrade it “correctly” should be at an advantage. Moving back to the same level doesn’t achieve the same thing as if the cheaters hadn’t cheated.
..the ideas here are getting more and more crazier…
…at 2000 messages it would be something like:
anyone who makes any downhill //beside the honorable participants of this topic..// should be sent to Katy Perry live concert as a punishment ..
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… message 4000 the request would be something like: Zwift please remove all the users, anyone who uses a bike (!!!)…
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to repeat:
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anyone who got more than 1 mess in this topic, should receive a special badge + get all the bikes fully upgraded and visually and technically neutralized ))) …if you get what does it mean ..
anyone who makes a downhill more than 1 meter should be making it in a clown costume… its soooo easy to integrate, why do we even have an AI?..yes…Im trolling a little bit…
Yeah, so…thanks for that. Added a lot.
get out 
As one additional comment from .. unfortunately someone that is a teammate of mine who I dug into yesterday morning. A response as to the “why” from him.
Which in summation came down to “I don’t pay for Zwift over summer, so I wanted to upgrade all of the bikes for when I come back in fall”. (for the record, he was spotted on the Specialized Halo… again, not something you’d expect most sane people to have unlocked over the course of 3-4 months.
On said final response to Peter; all I’m saying is, I’m not trying to say “you’re wrong”, but also hadn’t even considered the amount of time delta of unlocking with a moving average speed of, as Chris shared earlier, 75kph.
So time for time… to get a halo bike
130+ hours for a decent power average rider (B, say)
150+ hours for say a D paced rider
~64 hours for a teleporter if they’re efficient “ish”
That sums it up nicely I think.
Not convinced, not concerned.
I’m sure this thread will exhaust itself by summer and some will realize that the majority of riders don’t despair over what other people do or have.
Technically, the 24 hour record was set behind a bot. How far would he have ridden on a level 5 halo time trial bike with aero socks? Maybe the next record will be set riding down mt Everest for 24 hours.
well, they campaigned for long-awaited bike upgrades, spent significant resources, created a story to keep Zwift users attracted, wrote articles & FQAs. Just to learn that their concept fails. agreed, there is no problem with but for Zwift.
