if descent is more than 1.5 times the elevation gain then the distance is removed from your previous progress through the upgrade, your overall distance in game is reduced, XP is removed from your overall total and so are drops.
That should stop it!
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As I predicted earlier in this topic people are running out of drops, so they cant sit on the couch anymore because they upgrade faster than the drops are incomming.
Perhaps this true if you finish a course, but are there any routes which have most downhill in the first half, and the remainder of route then mostly uphill. You couldnāt DQ someone if they legitimately only ride the first half of a complete route, could you?
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Iāve still got over 30,000,000. 
I guess it helps that I ride up the mountains, instead of just teleporting. 
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Good point, Zwift Dev would have to add in a little more logic, based on the route used. They could add rules to their code along the lines of āIf downhill route, ignore the ācheatā catcherā, and then identify routes that start with a downhill. The good thing is, they removed (never used?) both the Alpe du Zwift and Ventop Downhill routes
But with that you can only upgrade 1 Halo bike to level 5 and buy another one but cant upgrade it even to level 1. And there must be people with more than 1 Halo bike already and add to that the cost of upgrading 3 ānormalā frames before you can even buy the Halo bike, the drops numbers go down very quickly.
The halo bikes seem to be primarily for flat riding - so the price is not exactly a problem for me. I donāt intend to buy them.
But if you scroll up in this topic that wasnt considered cheating by Cat, who started the topic about this which was deleted by Zwift, and at least one other here. They said it was fine if people teleported and rode down themself.
We all have opinions what is fair and what not but there is nothing in the rules after having this mess for over a month now and even people here are contradicting eachother with their opinions.
The main objective Zwift had in my opinion was to make people spend more time on Zwift and if possible have less people setting their subscrition on pause during the summer, while giving us something to upgrade. Together with the outdoors rides now counting for the streak and give xp we can conclude that it is a big succes for Zwift. The numbers guy at their office will be over the moon with people spending way more hours on their platform and I am pretty sure there will be people keeping their subscription.
The TT bike loophole was clearly a bug and was fixed in the next update.
But since there is nothing in the rules about where you can and can not teleport this was just an example on how poorly they thought this through, or just dont care how people upgrade their frames as long as they are Zwifting.
So alll we have is our opinion on what is fair and what is not.
A lot of people call it cheating when late joining the Big Spins since it is intended to ride the whole route.
A lot disagree with that since late join is in the game.
Some even say it is no problem since the Atomic Cruiser and BMX are cosmetic prizes.
But that would put all @Crazy-Cat arguments in the bin since the Halo bikes are pretty much a lot worse than the normal bikes and are only cosmetic.
Some say (even in this topic) teleporting to the top and riding down yourself isnt cheating.
Some now say it is.
Some say it is only about the frames who give an advantage in races.
So it is only a problem when people are doing it on what ā¦ 5 frames who we use in races ?
If I want to upgrade my Trek Madone (which sucks for races) like this it is no problem since that gives me no gains ?
And with now over a month underway the gains those people have are getting less and less, since I guess that most self respecting racers are at least on level 2 or 3 themself now.
And before comments are made, I still do not have a Halo bike and am at least 3400km and 10M drops away from that.
In my humble opinion it is too late now, with already being over a month into this upgrade thing.
Zwift should have thought of this before hand. How is it that the community thinks of these things within 6 hours of it being live and they dont. Or do they really only look at the numbers and dont care about us upgrading. Also because just 20% of their members race and the other 80% cant be bothered how others upgrade. And removing loopholes might upset that 80%.
Some new counting system like they have with the Factory Challenge would have been a lot better but for some reason they didnt think about that.
If they wanted action taken, they should have disabled teleporting all together the moment this became known and that was on day 1. There is no other possible way to prevent this and not punish your normal users besides removing teleporting.
People using bots and changing weight to their advantage is nothing new and we are asking for years for that to be handeled.
??? - did I say that? I didnāt start any topic that was deleted either!
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I really think that was you indeed. But now I am going to scroll through this whole topic to find it
And didnt you start another topic about how it was not fair that you werent going to be the first with a Halo Bike since people do downhills while you do 1600km a week ?
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Post 375 - I talked about anticipating being one of the first females on a Halo. I naively (rather like Zwift I expect) assumed people would pedal while sitting on their trainers.
The post that got deleted / hidden was by BooX who holds the highest elevation of any zwifter and literally lives on the Alpe and is an all round zwift legend .
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I can take a wild guess about that one. The higher ups are/were cyclists who could code, but my guess is the program teams are only coders/managers, who do not spend time thinking about the use cases. From some of the bugs that have gotten out in the past, itās painfully obvious that they only unit-test/functional-test new features, with limited full solution testing, and do not have a users group - other than this forum.
The TT and teleport issues should have been caught during the initial feature review, and a good team would have held off release until they could figure out the teleport issues (but sometimes market pressure causes features to go out over the protests of Dev/Test). The TT issue should have never gone out at all
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I really got the impression there that you didnt mind people softpedalling down no matter how they got up there.
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soft pedalling down a hill you have ridden up (which I believe is what is being referenced here) is very different to not pedalling down a hill you teleported up.
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There is a theory on the Nowhere Fast podcast that the devs at Zwift who I think mostly all live in Southern California think Zwift is just a joke. They have great weather year round, so they donāt have to ride indoors, and so they treat Zwift as just a silly game for losers who canāt ride outdoors. 
Soft pedal down AFTER you have climbed. I had just climbed the Alpe and soft pedalled down!
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I figured by this point that Zwift was using contract coders.
I feel seen!
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I was saying that if Zwift stopped bike upgrade kms accruing for zero power (i.e. downhill or coffee breaks) I would be happy with that if it stopped all these shenanigans.
Only removing teleporting all together will fix that I am afraid. But I am also afraid that would upset more people than those that are upset now.
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