I’m just saying you can do over 300w on a steep downhill. But yes at 65km/h it will be high cadence. The max on that downhill was 60km/h at 108rpm. (That is like a mad man for me) 
Corner breaking would make it a lot more realistic. 
In the vid? You hit 65 in that. Not a slight on you, it’s just a bit silly when people are doing big watts on a steep descent when in real life they would need a huge ring and would never have got up the climb in the first place.
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O I understand what you are saying. 
That data table is from IRL.
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Guess this can be marked done? 
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A few years ago, I was riding 6Gap in Georgia. Early on in the ride, in a group of around 50 people, double file, there was one guy that on every little descent, even if it was a 2% for less than a quarter mile, he would drop off the saddle onto the top tube. He stayed in the same position in the group, so I don’t understand his reasoning for it.
Looking cool?
Everyone around him was shaking their head when he’d do it.
So, he might have thought he was looking cool.
But, to me, and many others, he looked like an idiot.
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And if he’s the only one, then in his head, he’s likely thinking “damn, I’m the only one here who can do this” which makes him feel extra cool.
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@Tom_J maybe some Street Cred?
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This change, while well-intentioned, isn’t working out great in races. It eliminates any chance to really rest. In a race this morning you had to do 200w at 70kph on a -7% hill to stay in. Supertucking off the front doesn’t work because you get blipped by bits of draft from the people behind you, then get sucked back into the churn.
Additionally, everyone steadily pedaling around 150-200w plus increased draft means descending groups are still churning and are now faster than they were pre-PD4/supertuck-elimination.
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Is there any sign of Zwift descending physics being changed from the descending gradient being 50% of the trainer difficulty setting i.e. a 7% descent being treated as 3.5% at 100% trainer diffculty?
I agree on this…i also noticed when riders are affraid to draft with 0W the group is faster. But we used DD in our races for the last year and from my experience the group is slower with PD4 than Supertuck group with DD in PD3.
It’s strange cause i don’t have this problem.
From a race today. I’m 80kg at 186cm and i used Scott Addict RC with DT Swiss 62 wheels.
Keith Hill Descent
Fox Hill Descent
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In the D Pen race this morning, it crossed mymind that a rider who doesn’t particularly want or need to supertuck could prevent others from doing so by nipping in front of them every time they supertuck, thus denying them the rest they’re after.
Just saying.
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That’s a small event with tiny groups and doesn’t look particularly competitive. Come do a Chasing Tour race and see how coasting works out.
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Might be simpler (albeit less realistic) to allow supertuck but to have some max speed a pack as a whole (equivalently the people on the front) can achieve on a given gradient (assuming a “pack” can be detected as a pack which I assume is the case otherwise the supertuck disallow would not work).
Did the 1st Chasing Tour Race and i had enough for a while…that smash fest of who can stay with the stronger group isn’t my Cup of Tea…destroying myself in 1st 10-20mins of a race. I will pass.
But it’s easier to Draft in a bigger group than a small one.
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Super tuck should be allowed with a little draft. Right now you can’t super tuck when trying to close a gap when you have > 0 draft benefit. Also on the front, only one rider can get the the super tuck.
On the front one rider can’t even count on ST. A tiny bit of draft pushes ahead of a rider and it causes your guy to get caught in a cyclic spasm animation until absorbed by the group.
You should’ve done today’s race. Groups blew up right off the bat.
ZRL will have the same behavior. The stated intent of PD4 and elimination of ST was to slow down packs. The outcome is faster packs. Tweaks are necessary.
I think we all understood you hate pd4.
But you are not alone on Zwift and many people don’t agree with you. I, as a lightweight rider who was used to be left alone by superfast packs flying down, can now hang with the pack, and even make some attacks.
For me pd4 is very nice.
And for super hard races, I am in platinum 1 for the dirt league beginning this week, we have a very high global level, I will soon see if I am doing a mistake.
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