Fence feature to harsch

I don’t know if this is mentioned before, but I consider the fence feature to harsh. There should be a clear distinction between a rider just trying to be in the front part of the pack and a typical flyer. While being in the front pack, lots of time I need to completely stop pedaling to get the fence in front of me again. This is ridiculous and has nothing to do with riding. And sometimes I get dropped from the group because my speed goes low and the riders behind go full throttle.

Being a flyer is something else than just trying to be in the front part of the pack.

You are not supposed to ride so close to the fence, you are supposed to ride with the ride leader.

With the fence at 10sec there is a big gap between the ride leader and the fence on a flat road.

look at this picture this is with the fence at 10 sec. Still riders insist to ride on the fence not with the ride leader.

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Yes I agree that if you ride right up against the fence then you focus more on keeping behind it that you actually do to the ride. But like Gerrie said, the fence is x seconds from the leader and if you are riding with the leader 10 seconds is more than generous. Some ride leaders would disable the fence when sprints come up with the agreement that sprinters need to return to the bunch after the sprint at which time the fence is turned on again. That way everybody has some fun and the ride leader does not have to beg people not to fly.

Lets everybody have fun with their own competence, some riders do have fun with sprinting and others do have fun with a more or less constant effort with sudden power boosts when going uphill.

The current way the fence is working means that going through Titans Grove is no fun at all anymore for me during a social ride. In fact it is more like a h*ll.

The solution is simple to identify real flyers. Make two fences, one at 5-10 sec depending on the size of the group and one at 1-2 minutes depending on the course. If you are passing that fence it means you are a real flyer and you will be instantly removed. Ofcourse passing the first fence will influence the speed of the ride. For this introduce a maximum time in front of the fence of 5 mins, which resets to 0 every 30 mins.

So easy to make the fence really working…

Not everyone feels comfortable with riding that close to the ride leader with the risk of being dropped with a sudden speed burst. I rather prefer to stay in the front part of the pack because of my low FTP.

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Yes I normally only do social rides for distance i.e. 100k and these usually take place on flat courses and therefore the fence makes much more sense. Doing a social ride on Titans Cove does not seem ideal.

Just take a look at this picture…I did nothing special…

If you look carefully, it is the ride leader who is far behind the others. What do you expect me to do? In fact, I needed to do allmost a full stop.

And then look at Strava… https://www.strava.com/activities/2752708266/analysis/1872/1917

This is your section. bursts of power.

This was a 2.1-2.2w/kg ride
“The leader paces this ride at around 2.1w/kg on the flats and 2.2w/kg on all short climbs.”

This is the leader: he weigh even less than you.

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Total of 10 secs of burst? Just because there is a change of incline. What is special on that. Should I drop to an rpm of 30-40 instead?

You were attacking the climb way harder than the prescribed power. So you went past the fence.

This is why we use the fence. Some will go faster then more will follow and before you know it 50% of the riders are 30sec ahead.

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Just because of a 2+2+5 secs tiny burst because of change of incline and then lowering the wattage. Get serious!

This has nothing to do with being a flyer, only with some very very very very little bit of fun.

Sure have fun, that is what we all want to do, but then start way behind the Leader. so you don’t go past the fence.

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I could be wrong, but I though the goal of a group ride was to stay in the group with the ride leader.

Who knows, I don’t do group rides.

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You should come ride with my group ride, we have a lot of fun. We ride one lap as a group 1.8-2.5 (2.5 is for the climbs) then the last lap we race to the top of the KOM no fence.

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I started behind the leader :wink:

Yes, if you are part of a group ride, you should. Or wait at the top of the hill if you need to “have fun”. Group rides are not what you are apparently seeking. Go race instead, that might be more engaging for you, or join a faster group ride.

Or, get dropped out of the draft and enjoy trying to catch back up to the group. That might be the way you need to ride in group events.

Just imagine pace brakers would be set behind the field lets say 100 m when riding away from groupe rides or exceeding pace limits. :face_with_hand_over_mouth::slightly_smiling_face:

Yes indeed. Wait on the top of the hill.

Just read my proposal for fences and you will notice it is all about trying to ride together and have fun together.

I really don’t understanding why people are not trying to feel a little glance of other people frustrations. If you are high on FTP there is no problem getting back when you are being or getting droppen.

Btw. This social ride was my first training after a period of illnes.

The status quo of Zwift group riding is that you don’t get ahead of the beacon. Of course you can still ride in front of them, as part of the blob.

I’d still encourage you to try as many different groups as possible. There’s a lot of them, they all have different dynamics, and some will fit you better than others.

PACK, for example, is fairly beginner friendly. On the other hand, there’s way too much micro-policing going on, in a way that I consider unbearably brainless, personally. Instead of trying to change that, it’s best to just quietly move on. :blush:

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I think I just agree with you. Don’t let this spoil my fun on Zwift and find some other rides to join, even though sometimes I need some easy ride after a period of illness. Rules seem to be more important than having fun together.