My post was just an answer to your last one 
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Great. Do you have something to add to the discussion topic?
Your statements about the accuracy of the trainers are not correct. You should inform yourself better and not spread false information. You should also think about the fact that the companies you mentioned also offer different models.
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This is nonsense.
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In what way? All well to say nonsense but where is the proof? Otherwise this is like question-time in Parliament with all the politicians yelling at each other.
Same goes for the others making claims one way or the other.
The previous poster made the claim, so theyāre the one that needs to provide the proof to back up that claim.
Itās nonsense without anything detailed to back it up.
I can see complaints previously on this forum about Elite though:
If they are accurate or not I donāt know, thatās not for me to have to prove as I didnāt make those claims.
So what?
I can find this - Wahoo trainers with Virtual Shifting Issue: "Free Watts" | October 2024
Does it means that I can say that āUsers of X trainer stand no chance against someone on a Kickrā? It does not.
No need to be so cranky. Iām not taking any sides in that fight above, you can argue with those others.
My only beef is the woefully bad ZPower devices and people putting out obviously unrealistic power levels which can easily be detected and stopped by way of automatic checking if someone cared to build such a feature.
Flame away if you wish, but I figure stopping the latter isnāt unreasonable, no matter how many people say as long as itās not in racing, they are only having fun.
That basically means as long as it doesnāt affect our āsacredā racing, too bad for everyone else.
One thing for sure, this doesnāt make for a good advertisement for racing.
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I linked to a YouTube video above showing a cheaper Elite trainer testing very accurately. Youāre correct in saying that various trainers of various brands have a reputation for either being optimistic or pessimistic in power delivery but you are just being a bit too broad brush with your categorisation.
Iām not saying elite trainers are bad, take that up with those people who wrote that other topic.
Thatās precisely the issue. Iād gladly pay a small entry fee, just like IRL races, if it meant for some races better controls and stricter measures against cheating. Seeing someone in a B race pulling away from the peloton at 13-15 w/kg is a complete buzzkill, especially when you consider that MvdP held 15.9 w/kg for only 13 seconds in the final sprint of the 2022 Tour of Flanders. It takes away the joy of racing when unrealistic performances go unchecked -thatās a lot more than weight doping going onā¦
iām sure he could manage slightly better numbers after 20 minutes of riding around at 200w than after 6 hours at 350+ normalised, but what do i know. iām just a B cat
ā¦most likely, but unless thereās a secret army of MvdP, Poggy, or Jonas clones training in their basements, I find it hard to believe those numbers. See below, real life power output of the proās.
i hate infographics so letās dissect that into what it actually says
you can put me solidly within the top 10 percentile for wkg for everything up to a 30s there, and the top 25 percentile for 1 minute power. verifiably and undeniably, i own more power meters than a PM rental service and have went through two direto Xās, a saris H3, and now a kickr v5. they all have their quirks but as far as sprinting goes none of them disagree with my outdoor PMs, plural. those are numbers that i am extremely proud of. but those numbers arenāt worth anything at 59kg other than making me the worldās most irritating B cat. beyond 1 minute, i donāt even make the bottom 10th percentile any of those values and by the time you get to 10 min i am a whole 20% short on wkg of the lowest percentileā¦ and thatās without considering raw wattsā¦ just pure wkg, from a light weightlifter who happens to come from a cycling family.
as to why that isā¦ what percentage of the peloton do you think are pure sprinters, as in actual sprinters who follow a full s+c program and dedicate their whole year to training it? would you say probablyā¦ less than 10%? and those guys still need to keep up in the other departments, something a hobbyist like myself has neither the talent or ability to do. so basically even in my best department, anaerobic work capacity, my numbers are not competitive
and, as alex dowsett so simply put it in his advice for u23 riders youtube video: ādont put your numbers on your CV, nobody cares - put your race results on it so teams can see if you are good at actually racing bikes insteadāā¦ you are underestimating what it actually takes to be a professional cyclist
with that in mindā¦ google bryan coquard. iām his biggest fan. he isnt winning much, but thats what a 60kg pure sprinter in the worldtour can doā¦ he is a whole 20% stronger than me over 20s - iāve seen his numbers - and he has the aerobic ability to go with it
There are only 2 ways, that I can see, for Zwift to end cheating and accusations of cheating from inaccurate trainers: require users to use only specific verified trainers or let us connect a second power source demonstrating the accuracy of the first source.
Unfortunately, I feel the platform is moving towards the first option rather than the second.
They donāt need to be mutually exclusive but I donāt know what dual power recording in game would entail. It may just be a fantasy.
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Many of us already ride with dual power sources. Zwift has to enable real-time dual power recording, which Iām not sure what that involves.
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I donāt think Zwift will require dual power for any of their normal races, I can see them giving that ability to race organizers, but races that require dual power will have a harder time finding solid participation, so I wonder how many would actually go that route by default.
Personally I have a power meter on my road bike, but itās crank based (not something I can just swap to my other bike), the bike I have on the trainer is my gravel bike without secondary power meter. I wouldnāt go out and buy power pedals for my indoor bike just to race in Zwift (my curent bikes are all running crankbros pedals which donāt have a power meter option - I keep the same shoes across my gravel, trail, and road bikes so I wouldnāt want my trainer running a different pedal type), and I ride my road bike outdoors more than my gravel bike, so I want to keep my gravel bike on the trainer.
I donāt think requiring dual power is required for everyone.
Certain trainers are apparently accurate enough and tamper free to make dual recording unnecessary.
In my case, I have a wheel on dumb trainer so it is needed for improving accuracy.
Once properly calibrated, my trainer is accurate.
I think there must be a big difference between wheel on dumb trainers and wheel on smart trainers.
never thought about people using E-Bikes. Is that really a thing?