If you DNF a race, you need to lose race points. No debate. Make it happen.
I’ve had crits where I take off in first, then slowly every rider drops the race after a few laps. I win and get no change in my racing score. Stop incentivizing cheating!!!
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You’re making the assumption that everyone wants a higher score. Sandbaggers would rejoice at having such an easy way to drop their score.
The fact that this is an issue highlights a fundamental flaw of ZRS that it tries to be both a Rating and a Ranking score.
Zwift should do more to incentivise finishing the race you start, but unless they fix ZRS this isn’t it.
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When the ZRS of a retired racer goes down, the sandbaggers are super happy.
So, I think it’s better to calculate the winner’s ZRS including retired racers.
No DNF = 15+ points not lose that would be good way to Tank your points. @Steve_Herron
Maybe racer should opt in to a license then we would just be rank with other racer not just people be just feel like popping in a 20mins then.
I did a race the other day where an obvioius cheat took off with a one minute effort at around 800w, followed by an elite A+ rider.
Myself and a Dutch national elite crit rider chased, but he refused to take a turn on the front.
I did close to a 5 min PB, getting within a few seconds of the cheat and A+ rider, then my companion unleashed a monster sprint to close the gap without me.
I was then alone, in last position. Race ruined by a cheat and an antisocial move.
Should I have to waste time riding the rest of the race alone?
Last week I rode a flat TT in Tempus Fugit.
I rode the first 10 minutes with an average of 364w, but I was caught by a rider who started a minute behind me, who claims a weight of 30kg, and was averagging only 189w.
Not only is this likely not his correct weight, but in a flat TT 364w should always be faster than 189w, regardless of bodyweight or CdA.
If I think ‘b*&ger this, I’m off’ - should I lose points?
Yes you need to ride alone, you enter a race. @James_Cavell_Amsterd
You missspelled smart.
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Sounds like a race
It’s just broken.
Under ZRS… Oddly the best option is;
You beat them - get bonus
They lost - no negative impact
Or people would just join and quit to drop cats. Now they have to lose tiny races.
The best actual option is only score people down if they tried at a percent of 90 day perf
IRL, if you get dropped the organization pull you out (I mean races, not sportives)
With the bigger fields in the lower categories you can get dropped and usually find a group to ride with. In the A category the field is smaller and cheats do more damage.
There is no way anyone should be forced to ride alone to finish a race, either IRL or on an e-racing platform.
A DNF in the result should suffice.
Depends, cycle racing is a balance between rivals co-operating and screwing each other over.
There are numerous scenarios though of what racers could do and how ZRS will handle.
Eg. race with a dozen entrants. At about 500m before the finish, the guy in 4th realizes he won’t podium. Options are to:
a. DNF – no change in score though obviously he would have had a score increase if he crossed the finish line.
b. Finish as he is – gets a score bump because he’s in the top half of finishers.
c. Sit up on the side of the road til another 6-7 racers pass him, and then finish - yielding a ZRS score decrease.
If the system was intelligent, then the ZRS score change should always be the result you would have seen in “B” scenario above.
Was there another bunch of riders behind the 4 of you? Or this was a race of only 4? Would your sentiment be different regarding quitting if there had been a lot more riders behind the 4 of you?
They dont pull you out here in NA they let you burn lol EU noobs. @James_Cavell_Amsterd
He let/made you do all the work and than sprinted to the group with dropping you in the same time.
Quality smart tactics if you ask me.
Nah, it’s easy to sandbag regardless. Much less easy to have a fair fight.
Yeah, our roads are a litle busier, so the police want them open to traffic again.
Flyover GP in rural midwest US might have different infratstructure challenges than a race around Antwerp.
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