Why is someone with over 26 wins nearly all consecutive and numbers of 2nd and 3rds still racing in cat D races. Why have they only got a racing score of 265 and still allowed to race in cat D races where they are sweeping up multiple wins. I looked at his profile in Zwiftpower could not understand this when I looked at all his wins in cat D. Can zwift give me a reason for this.
Are you sure all those races were ZRS races? Many races don’t count for score increases, so that could be one reason. Another possibility could be the field size leading to small score increases, or the general feeling that ZRS is not really working great…
because CE and ZRS are broken. there simple answer.
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Don’t know a lot about the ZRS score system but my score seems go up or come down what ever I do but never seen anyone with all those wins
He posts on this forum.. tag him and ask him.
He might need to remember which account to log into before he replies..
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Hey @Barry_Hambly,
Thanks for your post in the forums! This is Jose, from Zwift’s support.
In this case, Zwift now uses its category Enforcement (CE) system for most races. It figures out a rider’s minimum category based on their recent power data (zFTP and zMAP) from the last 60-90 days.
While ZwiftPower still shows categories, it might not always match Zwift’s CE system perfectly, especially for races that don’t use CE. So, even if you see a rider with lots of D wins on ZwiftPower, their power metrics from Zwift’s CE might still place them in the D category, or right at the top of it.
If you still suspect cheating, you can report it by following this article.
If you have more questions, please feel free to reply here or contact us directly.
Thanks!
@shooj your bot is broken..
Perhaps that’s why zwift turns a blind eye to so many being used these days..
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really? I’d be surprised if we have swung that far back to CE from ZRS
This is a bit confusing, to clarify a few things.
Your category shown on zp profile will match your Zwift CE cat
only exception is when you move cat straight after the race zp won’t update until you either refresh profile on zp or signup to your next event.
I think where the op is maybe slightly confused is when they refer to cat D races and that depends on whether it’s CE or ZRS.
CE cat D still exists and some races use it. e.g zrl, some chase races etc and yes it’s very possible riders win race after race particularly if they are heavy as the requirement to move out of cat D is purely power based w/kg
ZRS cat D is not really a thing as there are many ZRS races on zwift but they don’t all use the same ZRS score boundaries but if we assume we are talking the general ballpark of where you find Pen D to be then yes it’s quite possible they can win race after race as score movement is broken and then do something quite simple to tank their score to remain competitive.
Anyway back to sleep i’ve not seen any movement in ZRS or CE in the last 6 months so we’ll wait and see if we have this shambles continue into peak winter season.
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Thanks for this reply
As I try to race in a fair way and like to get the best finish position that I can it is fun for me even if I don’t win or get a place but it is taking this away from me if someone is cheating. So what would stop someone just keeping their power low and not putting out a high power just to stay in a category but putting out just enough power to win each race even though they really could put out more power. Surely metrics should be taken from every race on Zwift to make things fair and be enforced in every race going up a category is no problem it is coming down a category by unfair means that is the problem
Simple answer is nothing and has been that way for a long time which i’m pretty sure 99% of zwifters agree it could be done better.
Heavier riders or those that are skilled at drafting can quite often get away with doing less w/kg than they could at their maximum and still be competitive in a race. Add to that fixed boundaries the ones that are constantly winning know exactly how much power they can get away with before upgrade so if really needed will sit up.
ZRS was meant to fix that although it was a decent first attempt it has a few flaws that have not been looked at it 6 months so i’m really not sure what the future of it is.
There is also other series like dirt and 5v5 ladder leagues that use another category system https://www.zwiftracing.app which in my view is probably the most accurate of them all and the dev does work to improve it.
even it it’s not a zwiftracing.app race it’s interesting to look at the riders there as it probably gives you a more accurate look at who the strong riders in the pen are
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Thanks for all the info you have written it helps me to get some more knowledge of how it all works or does not work. Being a light rider and still developing my power output I don’t have the ability to hold back my power like a heavy rider on the flat.
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yep that’s one of the biggest issue with power based categories. The lighter rider has to push a higher w/kg forcing them to get upgraded before heavier riders.
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I cant even begin to count the amounts of facepalms I would like to put in here …
Fix or delete those ai bots answering here Zwift. They are wrong about 80% of the time.
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That’s not a credible reply Jose as Zwift does not do anything about cheats.
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just tell them he said a naughty word in the chat, they take pretty swift action on bad words
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Yes I know!
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Because I mostly race in old CE races Barry and have never went over the Cat limit apart from one race where I was promoted to C for 90 days.
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I had this in a cat d race a few weeks ago. At
The start one guy took off like a scalded cat, pulling out 5w/kg from the start. He was miles ahead until the last lap when he stopped pedalling, coasting in to win & beating me by about 100 Mtrs. It’s a bit annoying when you know they shouldn’t be at that level but like to win so badly they resort to that.
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He is talking about myself, the races are all nearly Team Draft races which are old CE races that are still going.
Interesting I have not in my limited time seen so many wins and placing in one profile, so it got me wondering how that was possible. I always look to see what I am up against not to see I am not looking for cheating. So why do you not move up to C if you can put out more power which I am sure you can or is all about the wins for you and I don’t mean that in a nasty way.