Curved Manual Treadmill with Zwift

Hi @Tim_dODZ, hi @Jay_Byrd_on_A_Air_Ru, got my air runner fixed. The problem was one of the plugs from sensor to panel. We have 3 connections from sensor to reach the panel that go inside the structure and hand rails. One of it has a bad contact.

@Jay_Byrd_on_A_Air_Ru I noticed also that connecting the pannel with the first plug coming directly from sensor provides a better bluetooth conectivity. At least faster recognition. I didn’t notice any difference from that in zwift response…

Anyway, thanks guys!

Hey @Matt_Barrett1,
I know I’m off topic here slightly but I can find so little info on the Titanium Strength Curved Treadmill out there :exploding_head:… Would love to know if you recommend it as a curved option? Obviously, it’s a little cheaper than some of the others mentioned here - do you feel like there are compromises in build quality or basic functionality?
Would appreciate your thoughts! :pray:
Thanks!

Hi @Jay_Swindon I would recommend, it’s a little bit more agricultural compared to something like the well refined woodway and the version I have the screen is poor but as I don’t really use it it’s not an issues. Running wise I have not found any difference to the one at my local gym I tested the curved manual trendmill. I’ve now had it for 18 months and it’s going strong. I’ve done runs with both the npe runn and the stryd pod on seperate watches to get the data into zwift/garmin/strava and it all works fine.

It’s easier with the trendmill to run interval or sprinting or speed session rather than long endurance runs, think my longest run is 2 hours but I get bored! But just remember it’s more effort at slower speeds and you pace/speed is slower so I run to heart rate or power with the stryd pod (but I change my calibrate from 0.97 to 1.2 to get similar power to effort as the outside).

As a cyclist who is trying to add running to my exercise regime my solution to the boredom of longer runs is to use my Stryd as a power meter and join cycling events while running on the treadmill. It is much more engaging to me to keep pace with a peloton of riders on a circuit like RGV at c.200W than to use a “run” simulation where I’m creeping round without a draft or a bunch to hang with.

It also means that I receive full credit for the power I’m producing as opposed to the penalty of slower pace on the curved treadmill at its permanent 8% (?) incline equivalence.

I am looking into purchasing an air runner. Can anyone confirm that the air runner still connects up with the Wahoo Fitness iOS app please?, in addition to zwift. I’d like to use the wahoo app to record my air runner workouts into apple health.

Thank you
Jonathan

I tried it, the assault runner is not found by the app. From the description it looks like it’s wahoo sensors only. At least for the app that is available in the German App Store.

Super helpful - just purchased the Assault airrunner and still gettiing used to this treadmill, but love it already. So happy that the Bluetooth function works with Zwift - I use Stryd as well but not properly calibrated to the Assault- one question where do you put your device (iPad) when running in Zwift on the Assault runner because there is really not any space on the console?

I use an Android tablet (Galaxy Tab S7 Plus) placed directly onto the console, where there is a slot at the bottom designed exactly for that purpose (I assume). I place a sponge between the two to protect both from scratches and to improve the angle of the tablet. I have absolutely no use for the data displayed by the console since Zwift on the tablet is all I need. However, it is very difficult to reach the tablet or touch it with any accuracy while running, so messages are a no-no and I can just about return a ride-on, but no more.

As for Stryd calibration, I increase my weight by 25% to obtain a more accurate representation of power. I also use a Garmin Fenix 6X watch with the Virtual Run activity to broadcast speed data to Zwift, but with a calibration factor of 1.25 applied to Stryd to more honestly represent the speed on a conventional treadmill or outdoors. This seems to work quite well and heart rate, speed and power all correlate well with outdoors with these adjustments applied.

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Thanks a lot super super helpful- Will try that with Stryd and tablet

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I have been using the assault air runner for a little over a year and I would say 1200 miles on zwift. I would never go back to a motor treadmill, ever. The speed change is instant, great for the duathlon. I have used this for two marathons on zwift, felt great. My 5 year old loves this thing also.

Well worth the price tag.

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Thank you all for your comments on this. One simple question - do you find that the Runn provides more accurate pace / distance measures than the assaultrunner? My AssaultRunner seems to be 1 min + /mile slower in pace, compared to outside and its driving me crazy. Will the Runn do better?

You can calibrate the Runn to the treadmill so you’ll be able to improve accuracy.

The Runn sensor arrives having been calibrated in the factory. Recalibrating it to match the treadmill display just makes them both inaccurate.

Not strictly true but I’ll agree to disagree on that.

It’s a non motorised treadmill that the user is using, the way speed is reported is different to motorised.

I’m not sure the answer to Jonathan’s question actually has anything to do with the speed reported by the treadmill or the RUNN.

I think the answer lies in the posts above made by users of manual treadmills that running on a manual treadmill takes up to 30% more energy. If it takes quite a bit more energy to run on a manual treadmill then then outside speeds will be quicker.

Unless of course a manual treadmill takes the actual belt speed and factors in a % speed increase to balance the extra energy required ? I don’t know

Edit later: Either way the only way I believe the RUNN can help is if the treadmill is not reporting the actual belt speed, the actual belt speed is wanted and a RUNN is fitted and not calibrated to the treadmill. If a RUNN is fitted and calibrated to the treadmill all it will do now is report the same as the treadmill.