We don’t know how many paying customers they have. I probably average 10-12 hours logged in per week through the winter, most people I know ride more than that, but lets call 8 hours average. I see ~5500 logged in right now, I rarely see more than 20,000. Let’s use 20K just to be generous
20K avg logged in, if 8hrs a week avg ride time, would give just over 400K active accounts. Sure lots of people end up paying for a while when they’re not riding on Zwift much, or sign up and keep paying for a while - but I think the racing community is a much bigger chunk of Zwift’s paying subscriber base than they want to admit.
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If this is true, this should also create a penalty for those that drop out of races because they aren’t doing well and their PPP could be reflected in their points standing. We already have riders doing this now to protect their Zpoints on Zwift power. The riders that drop out to “protect” their points are pretty pathetic in my book.
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Hi Al, throughout my years here, I’ve been on all sides of this and even ruined friendships for telling an old mate to “grow up, we aren’t in college anymore” when they wouldn’t stop harassing a rider that was clearly cheating during a run of the mill, nothing fancy, average zwift race. Sadly it does happen, but I would say it happens a lot less than folks cheat/game the system, to which Zwift refuses to actually address and it could potentially harm their Subs.
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Pointing out obvious cheating is not harassment. I think that’s the main point of the discussion above and the reason for the ‘commotion’.
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This isn’t actually to do with the ‘community’s welfare, including physical and mental health’, this is just to stop cheats being called out, what about the mental health of honest racers getting pounded by the weight cheats? I don’t get in a flap but I do wonder what these grown men who are apparently smaller than my 11 year old son are eating for breakfast. Changing racing from w/kg to points or whatever other macro they come up with isn’t going to change anything, cheaters gonna cheat. I haven’t found a CET o’clock morning race with numbers in the double figures for several days now, maybe it is really sunny everywhere except around my house, or maybe people are voting with their feet and trying another platform
Zwift pours water from the tub with the baby.
Bryn is correct.
Lots of wasted hot air now, when w/kg will be irrelevant later this year.
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It’s almost as though better (any) communication would get ahead of people being wound up. If only we were all so high profile and important, to have access to such privileged information.
As pointed out earlier, a lot of the replies in here are from the same people - me being one of them - so I’ll wait and see what the response from Zwift is from here. Looks to be absolutely none. 
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So until that arrives it’s a valid discussion…
Furthermore, who knows what challenges lie between now and an unknown release date…
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I wonder what was behind the urgency of removing the numbers (I expect approximately nobody here is objecting to the anti-harassment features proper), especially as most of the users are stepping away from the app for the summer anyway. Certainly this could have waited until better categories and more credible enforcement of blatant weight/height cheating has been implemented.
Also, I have a bridge to sell.
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I shall await the day of this change while rowing in Zwift as part of my club.
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This is currently the All Time 4th most commented on post!
With most of the comments focusing around the removal of height and weight metrics from ZwiftPower in particular… Racers being the vocal minority, Maybe?.. but I think a post that generates this much attention, discussion and alternative approaches deserves recognition via a response from Zwift at the very least. A well considered revised approach (or clear communication on the changes coming down the line) would be even better.
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Is Bryn a Zwift employee? If not how about an official statement from Zwift. Maybe I’ll ask the twitter account, they always have their fingers on the pulse of new releases…like rowing.
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As a guess. Zwift are doing 1 of 2 things
Having further discussions on this change with stakeholders due to the feedback and if they need or can change their position
Or
Awaiting the fire to put itself out and then carry on regardless.
There is no way competent community managers leave this unchecked this long unless instructed to do so…
Edit to add - this months update is due tonight/tomorrow? Let’s hope there’s some good news beyond a blank UI in there…
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Says who? A random guy with claimed insider knowledge. Well, OK then!
As things stand, we’ve little reason to feel confident anything is coming. The “anti-sandbagging” testing has been going on for… I don’t even know how long. Nearly a year? And still isn’t the default for racing.
As for “W/kg” being irrelevant; how can that be? Categories might be organised on different lines, but W/kg, raw power and weight will all be relevant as long as there’s a physics engine that uses those factors to calculate rider speed.
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Bryn and @MRBaldi_T-ZHR ain’t no randoms, and I’d trust they have more insider knowledge than most. For sure it would be better if Zwift commented themselves here but I’d say that we have a couple of pretty reliable sources giving info here!
Could the prior comment about w/kg becoming irrelevant that you are responding to hint at Zwift 2.0?
“Hey guys we heard you and totally agree w/kg is a crazy system so with that we are proud to announce Zwift 2.0 where you ride and race on the moon!! No longer do you need to be constrained by the pesky earth laws of physics. Enjoy a spin around the lovely crater in a near zero-g environment”
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While I know MBaldi has been around for the entire lifetime of public Zwift (at least, he was already around when I got access in 2015 IIRC) and has contributed a huge amount to racing on Zwift, I’ve no idea who Bryn is. To me he’s just some random guy, hence my comment.
But yeah, until Zwift say something it’s just hearsay and rumours. Maybe they know something we don’t. Maybe they’ve signed an NDA and can’t tell us (although in that case they’ve probably already said too much 
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No need to make it personal. I don’t recall the details of that, but I’ve no doubt he’s a passionate guy who cares about his races and racers. He also puts a lot of effort in to running his events as far I can tell, so I think he’s allowed to get cheesed off when there are problems.
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Sounds like a rational thing to do also, rather than blindly being loyal to a platform that treats its most loyal subscribers like second tier customers… I wonder why not more race/event organizers have done so…