And so are Coffee Breaks.
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Yeah you cant really dictate the rules regardless of how badly you want to race a group ride, it still isnt a race per the rules or parameters.
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Courtesy of GCN: “How Not to Be a D**k on a Group Ride” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOIAiIZEsh4&t=55s
Its as much an IRL thing as a Zwift thing.
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Everyone complaining about coffee break in group rides as a user behavior problem is completely out of luck. Nothing they can say will alter the fact that people will use the feature as they please. Zwift says you get free coffee. Some people say OK I’ll take the coffee. Others say no thanks, I don’t like coffee. Both are fine. But a few say they don’t want coffee and furthermore nobody else can have it. That is an impotent gripe that will do nothing to change the culture of group rides. I respect the annoyance people feel over Zwift introducing a feature they dislike, but that irritation is properly directed at the company, not at the people who use the product as intended.
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It doesn’t need to be a race. Zwift allows racing in group rides. Coffee break allows people who race to cheat.
Sorry i disagree. The parameters of the ride allow the coffee stop so it isnt “cheating”. Everyone has equal access to it. It isnt an official race.
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Just because people are racing doesn’t make it a race.
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I’m not blaming the user for it, I’m saying the coffee break feature “allows for cheating” and it certainly does.
Is using a power up also cheating?
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I agree that people race non-races. But as non-races, all they have are unwritten rules. That said, I do think that unwritten rules can be important. IRL bike racing is full of them (don’t attack in a feed zone!).
But breaking unwritten rules isn’t ‘cheating’. It’s just doing something that others will think poorly of. Low-class, ‘jerk’, whatever. IRL riders attacking in the feed zone aren’t ‘cheating’–that’s not how the word gets used.
Coffee breaks in a group-ride-that-people-are-racing is the same. Only unwritten rules being broken there. It’s complicated also by the fact that, unlike IRL racing, not everyone present agrees about what the unwritten rules are. That’s why I wasn’t making judgments above about being a jerk, just saying that many will judge people to be jerks 
But no, there’s no ground from which coffee breaks can be called cheating. But it very well might fly in the face of unwritten rules, group norms, etc. Although as I said, that’s complicated in a way IRL racing isn’t.
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A coffee break is just a more powerful powerup. It’s qualitatively the same. Of course it’s more powerful, but what would we be saying if someone complained about a rider using an aero powerup in a sprint, framing it as cheating? It’s part of the product. It’s OK to not like it. It’s not a behavior problem.
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If you beat me with it, yes. That also makes you bad person.
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What would happen if someone used a Burrito on someone else’s Coffee break?
Would it spill their coffee😳
I really enjoy the coffee break discussions.
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Or how about receiving bonus XP for not using the coffee break.
Could be added on to the End Ride screen.
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Interesting! 
500XP bonus?
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See how many <5 minute rides get logged 
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you probably don’t come to these forums to read unsolicited life advice from a meathead degenerate like me, but this is good advice: you better be a real special type of human being if youre gonna judge another human, because if you miss, and sooner or later you will, i’ve done that, that guy is gonna decide your emotions for you from now on.
that’s “frustration”, or “anger”, or “sadness”, or some other type of feeling, because you thought it was one way, but it isn’t that way. it’s some other way
with that said, this is fundamentally a thread about a button that people can press if they want to go and sign for a delivery or take a phone call or whatever else, so take it with a huge pinch of salt
I really don’t have a dog in this particular hunt, I’m just pointing out how people behave. There are some people above who seem really mystified that others aren’t happy when they do things those other people don’t like. But me personally–I also said it, coffee away
That said, I have never met a single human being who doesn’t judge other people. I’ve only ever met people who say they don’t. (Not intended to be a dig at you, just realized how that might sound. I didn’t take you to be saying that about yourself.)
You’re absolutely right that the more openly and harshly you judge others, the worse that will come back on you when-not-if you screw up. To a lesser degree, the less openly and harshly you judge others the less some people might (might) return the favor. But everyone judges everyone else. Not always harshly, not always openly, but they do.
i got it very badly twisted once and it still bothers me years later, which is why i’m paying it forward. not that this thread is about anything remotely important, but this thread isnt really about anything now anyway. it was a zwift related situation though. you just never really know
I keep trying to learn these lessens all the time, my friend
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