Riders above 800 excluded from racing?
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yeah. shout out to wattfabrik for putting on great races btw. great organisers. and dont even start with that âwhat about people over 800â crap⌠the organiserâs will is absolute
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Did they also cut out the lowest cats ?
It is a great way to get smaller cats and as long as we cant make 10 cats in a race this seems like a nice alternative. Of course not everyone should be going to do it, but with a few organizers doing this and excluding the top and bottom I have no problems with.
It does look like itâs 2/3 up 1/3 down (maybe 60/40 split), but I wonder if you included DNFs if it would look more like 50/50 up/dn as that was one theory earlier too.
Yeah the sub 100 been cut out too.
If too many does this, might find riders lowering their own score just to get in races.
Time to introduce dynamic ones that isnât base 5 or 10.
well, if more organizers do this, it kinda becomes dynamic. Not completly since you know the cats beforehand, but it creates something new and give more options for more riders. And if an orginizer really wants dynamic, fine with me. Although I think Zwift isnt ready for that yet.
So as long as the riders below 100 and above 800 have plenty of races to choose from I cant see any reason why not.
I was going to look into the data to see what Mbotoâs starting seed is, and look to see what they were getting in each race etc., but their account is private so not sure how to best do that and see changes in their ZRS easily. Itâs possible their seed was lower, possible the races they did werenât as well populated etc, without seeing more detail I think itâs hard to really say much. If thereâs a good comparison example with two public profiles that race a lot it would be good to take a look to see if there is a pattern there.
Zwift World Series Race 3 is going to be awesome to see ZRS in works. Yorkshire Double Loop 30 km, semi Hilly.
What happens when you have D vs B, C vs A?
ZRS is perfect for sandbagging. You win couple races, then do one race where you donât sprint in the end and youâll never be promoted, like a well-known rider in your example. Just for fun, I did multiple B races in 4 days, here are the results. 71 points difference between the highest and the lowest score in just 4 days. If the score really reflects your ability to race, how it could change by 71points in just 4 days.
started at 616
14/15, score dropped to 596
14/15, score dropped to 580
14/17, score dropped to 569
8/16, score increased to 572
2/14, score increased to 587
3/5, score increased to 591
24/29, score dropped to 567
22/31, score dropped to 558
34/40, score dropped to 545
4/27, score increased to 549
2/28, score increased to 559
How long do we have to wait for ZwiftHQ to remove the 30sec seed score altogether?
If youâre in the lead group and contending the sprint finish for higher positions, the points allocated from finishing in a high position should naturally increase the Racing Score of top sprinters!
No I havent. Is that even visable from the Companion App how many DNS and DNF ?
And do we even know if they get points at all ?
This was just to see if my thought of it being 60/40 was about right. And it is. So more people gain points than lose points. So in time more and more people will go up in the cats.
Iâm not entirely sure, for my races in the CA I see 3 numbers, from what I gathered here the top one is the number that signed up for a race, then before you click into race results you see x/y which I think x is your position, y is the total number that started the race, and then if you go into race results there is a different number of people that is smaller than y (letâs call that z). I was thinking DNFs would be y-z. Not sure if that is correct or not.
Now Iâm wondering.. did you use the number in the CA that is on the first screen (the x/y number), or did you click through to the results to see how many riders were in the final list?
Edit: I assume you had to click through and use the finishing number since those are the only way to get the up/down arrow counts.
The other thing to consider is the up/down arrows might be pretty messy in the middle of the pack given they symbolize a change since the last race, not a change only from this race. If a lot of folks in the middle get 0 or 1 point for that position anyone that raced less than once a week those will show as down since they would have decayed more than 1.0 ZRS, and anyone that got 0 would show as down as well since they would have decayed 0.05% per day or whatever it is.
Edit: So my theory is the DNFs would be the 47-28=19 in the image above. If anyone knows if this is correct/incorrect let me know, ha.
This. Clicked to the results page and counted there how many finished, went up and went down.
Those are the riders that finished the race. That is a number we can see and are certain of. While the whole DNS, DNF, DSQ is a complete mistery so far if they are even counted or have an influence on how many go up and down in points.
Yeah, for a âsimple systemâ Zwift sure isnât making it easy to understand how it works 
Taking my race yesterday at 1710 as exampleâŚ
Headline Companion info says 105, inbetween 10 laps and pen 180-350. 105 signups?
Companion says I was 86/95. 95 entered pen?
Deep dive info on Companion says 86 of 87 that finished, just like Community Racing Festival || SZR || Downtown Dolphin - The at Home Cycling & Running Virtual Training App on pc browser (less shown on mobile for me)
https://www.zwiftracing.app/events/4526230 shows 5 DNFs, but wouldnât show racers not registered on zwiftpower.
But are they DNF or DNS or both ? Or even people signed up, but never entered the pen.
Still dont understand why they wont release the scoring meganism. What is it that it has to be a well kept secret.
All we know now is that 60/40 is pretty accurate for the people riding and finishing the race. So if you want to lower your score, or get someone else to rise in points, make sure you are near the bottom 40% of the race.
My theory was the 52 number above was the sign-ups. Again, itâs not super clear, but think for that screenshot it was 52 sign-ups, 47 got into the pen, maybe started the race, and 28 finished.