My point was correct, if two riders of different weights are doing the same wkg then the heavier rider is actually doing more because of the bike weight, if you want to explain then explain, stop talking in riddles…
4.0 at 60 kg isn’t a lot to you? That’s extremely high level in the real world.
You can’t tell me that a heavier rider nearly always have an advantage. We have to put out higher power to do the same amount of work. I fail to see how we have an advantage outside of sprinting or short bursts.
We also tire out more quickly.
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the bike could weigh zero for both riders, the heavier rider still doesn’t need to do more w/kg. the reason i’m not explaining why is because 1: chau and 2: zrs still isnt going away, no matter how much you don’t like it
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ZRS may be here for a while but if a group of investors and a couple of engineers get fed up enough and start an app that mimics the real racing world better, it’s going to have to change.
oh that already happened. i think the app that’s apparently supposed to be better currently is called “trainingpeaks virtual”, formerly indievelo
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Well look at that, you are correct. Downloading.
Not saying I’m leaving Zwift but I’ll check it out!
Number 2 actually made me laugh
Number 1, you missed my point, I know if all things being equal the heavier rider will be slightly quicker, I said this in my second post.
Do you try to be insufferable or does it just come naturally?
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the other alternative is mywhoosh, but i can’t even sarcastically recommend that. i’d feel bad for wasting your time… some people actually do like TPV
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I’ll check it out. Thank you.
I feel like Zwift engineers must be riders, not racers because there’s no way ZRS makes more sense than a results based system.
more than half a decade of targeted practise on people like you. learn from the OG
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I would say Zwift is miles better than Indievelo, its ZX Spectrum type graphics and full of bots, MyWhoosh looks better but I had to lower the Graphics as its quite Jerky on Ultra mode on my old PC (1060 GPU and i3 12th gen), They are both useable and the feel is quite the same as Zwift but they both feel dated.
“people like me”
Someone who has a different opinion than you?
ZRS isn’t my opinion, chau. you’d like my ideal category system a whole lot less, because there wouldn’t be any categories. but since that isn’t happening either, ZRS is fine by me
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I would take open pen with one caveat, all racers have their Cat written on their back so you don’t waste your time trying to draft/chase someone with double the wkg, very annoying, my biggest gripe of ZRS.
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I’d be a big fan of single pen mass start races if the course is selective enough to break it up.
The entire Zwift World Series event should have been done like that.
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In real life yes, but real life doesn’t have Zwift pace dynamics - Zwift favours bigger riders with more absolute power, while the smaller riders suffer in big groups and often get stuck at the back and have to put in big efforts to escape the sticky draft and autobraking.
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Most of the time I doubt they are using their own product at all.
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As a bigger rider here, no way we have an advantage. We SUFFER when the road tilts up even at 3%. We have to do more work to sustain the same speed.
Theres no one over 200 lbs who’s a good A racer in Zwift. If you were correct, wouldn’t the larger racers all be in the higher divisions?
If my FTP is 300 watts, thats 3 w/kg, right in the middle of the C’s. To even “qualify” for the A’s in Zwift I’d need an FTP of 400 (old scale). I don’t know any recreational racers with an FTP at 400 watts who’s not considered really good on a bike.
Big guys don’t have an advantage, unless maybe it’s flat. The success is having the highest wattage at the lowest weight possible.
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Pedantics. It’s a lot easier to say C than “350-520 ZRS categorized racers” and also the old categories were a lot better at sorting racers than ZRS is, and the old categories are very useful for describing race capabilities.
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It’s objectively true that no one involved in development or QA uses Zwift in any significant capacity.