Have trainers reached their peak?

Tacx Magnum (or something similar to it) needs to come back. I’d buy something like this in a heartbeat.

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Great idea but so dangerous

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Some brainfarts - sky is the limit
(None is applicable today)

3d - virtual reality

Cam- which captures your position for drag cda. Especially fun on Bologna in TT

Amiibo gadgets for faster bike swaps

Bike simulators (like the real expensive race simulators with overhang etc)

I can see the benefit of the 10Hz from wahoo

Around user projection (not only tv in front of you)

Integration of trainers with lights (tacx neo, extended to hue) or HR

All kinds of buttons gadgets for faster access to in game actions

Like a function that counts virtual distance from hen says:

“distance = target, do breakdown”

That would cause an outrage.

What would be nice would be different bar setups for kickr bike for instance, so you could convert it to a full TT bike if you wanted with TT bike style shifters.

Software: VR 3d and riding all roads with procedural generated terrain based on osm maps.

Hardware: force feedback from roads, steering with my body, brake support.

I would like to see in Zwift which gear I’m currently in. No idea if it’s the trainer or Zwift or both that needs to develop something to make that come true.

While wishing, I would like some method of binding a certain frame/wheel combo to a key/macro/something so we could zwiftly zwap bikes and it’s more equal for everyone in terms of lost time

100% these.

Zwift did the smart thing and partnered with JetBlack to come up with the Zwift Hub. No reason they couldn’t find someone like Octane Fitness or whatever and release what amounts to an adjustable exercise bike frame that attaches to the Hub, or any trainer for that matter. Instead of derailleurs (which means wear, and service required) the frame could go belt drive and have a simple freehub adaptor for the belt.

I’ve mentioned similar before in other threads but I’ll post a photo of the closest thing to exist so far: the “Adjust-a-Bike” or “PowerWatts Bike”.

At scale, producing something like that would be “a few hundred dollars” at most. Bundle it with a Zwift Hub and you have, effectively, a smart bike, adjustable for every family member, for under $1000USD. Let’s round up and say $1500 for profit-sake. That undercuts every other smartbike by thousands.


OK, topic at hand. I own a NEO2T and I do think trainers have almost peaked.

A few features I’d like

  • aforementioned virtual gearing
  • HR sensor rebroadcast
  • Autocalibration (NEO has it, latest couple of Kickr generations, Elite Justo, Hammer H4, Zwift Hub but every trainer should, not just flagships)
  • multiple BLE connections (Wahoo does this already so you can configure the trainer on the fly - Tacx has been the hold out)
  • more standard power input - no more barrel plugs and external bricks - USB-C power delivery or a built in brick (like the Tacx Flux) with standardized NEMA type cord
  • price - Zwift Hub may be the new king here - I think Tacx would do well to offer a “NEOlite” with smaller flywheel and lower power/gradient. Many of my friends are much smaller and won’t get anywhere near the flagship trainer limits but still want the benefits of autocalibration, silence, road feel etc.

I think there’s more innovation to be had with “other stuff” like smart buttons for controlling apps. I get that elGato StreamDeck has some cool options for Zwift buttons but that’s PC/Mac only - it needs to be integrated with the game regardless of platform, with no extra user trouble.

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Btw, I wouldn’t call Tacx best in class… with dircon/Wi-Fi, Wahoo still has the edge.

Anyway, hardware is way ahead of the curve, and software behind… the software side needs to catch up before we can see some meaningful improvement on the trainer side :wink:

We have had steering for years now, and Zwift is yet to have a meaningful use for it…

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Last time I checked Wahoo still didn’t have road feel :wink:

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Thanks heavens for that! Glad my Kickr Bike runs smoothly.

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I read a lot of the Zwift hub with a Zwift specific frame without derailleurs and virtual gearing……

Could this idea look something like this?

I believe you could take the frame of and just use the trainer with your road bike.

That was the Zwift bike.

The whole project was shelved.

I know, but I thought it was funny that several people suggested a similar concept

Think I’d rather have the trainer and a £1000 bike. And that’s the problem. You can already buy frames to put on a trainer for well under what would be profitable for zwift. I have a bike that lives on my trainer which cost a lot less than £1000. Sure it has mechanical gearing but it works very smoothly as it is so don’t think I’d bother paying a premium for virtual shifting

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i hope not because i keep breaking them

Probably not any worse than traditional rollers? Definitely not more dangerous than outdoor riding. I guess you could roll off the back if you really wanted to :grinning:.

I’m trying to understand how that thing worked… You hit a descent on AdZ… the belt goes up to 50mph while you aerotuck… and then what?

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Hold the sides and freewheel?

Aerosol dispenser that lets you know when you’re passing a virtual feedlot.

My biggest complaint is their lack of knowing what gear you’re still in relative to everything else. If I hit a hill, and my RPMs stay the same, my gear is the same, and my watts go way up, there’s no reason my speed should drop the way it does. That part of their algorithm sucks. In the real world, I’d be going just as fast.