Group rides seem more difficult since update

How can i show you a photo of images,not able to post a picture to show you.
Everything i drop a file i have the same analysis of a ride in august 17th 2017…

What numbers do you see for the last ride with the issue.

I’ve sent you message on Messenger maybe easier to continue?

EDIT: I (Gerrie Delport added the pictures that @John_Deschilder_BZR send me)

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I assume those is the images from the ride that gave you problems.

It look like there is some network issues.

Restarting the router and Wifi modem is a good place to start.

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Yes one of the rides ,no draft,more kilometers than the rest over same ride,and more wkg

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well, but don’t think this issue is related to hardware or frame rate, ethernet…
at least for me, i think…always have to cope with really low frame rates around 10fps or even lower in big groups. but never had problems to stay in drafts whatsoever…it all started a week ago with this update…i am on a Macbook pro 2015…

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I did a restart of my router and Wi-Fi.
Tomorrow i do the test.
Cross fingers.
Thanks anyway for your help.

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thx for the test. seems its not related to connex…

Did you look at you log.txt file in zwiftalizer and you network does not have any errors?

What bike did you use, the TT bike can’t draft so it take a lot more effort to stay in the bunch.

sorry Gerrie, i am actually with Zwift from the early days back on Jarvis…i know quite well, how this system works…no need for log files here…
whats is also interesting…most - including me - report for the exact same ride more milage compared to some riders in the same bunch…( yes i know! i dont mean the late joiners ) … which at the beginning just seems marginal but ends up with a mile after 2h…not sure if this also is connected with this draft effect.

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Same impression here on my side. Definitely no hardware issue as I’m doing between 90 and 120 fps, no internet issues.

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I don’t know hoe to post picture here,maybe Gerrie will do it for me.
But this morning i did the test and everything remains the same.
More km,more watt in same group ride.

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Sent e-mail this morning to Zwift.
Rode 1 hour and half at 160km ride ,was same again ,then after a while decided to leave and rode in the back,and noticed that it was easier there than in the bunch or in front…

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OK…today did a Kiss@Base and we discussed and replicated this draft-bug.
And zwiftHQ is aware of…
Now draft-bug in this context means, that you have excessive lateral movement within the bunch,
so you need more power and you ride more distance just to stay within.
some 0,5w is needed…now we did some testing and easiest position is at the back of the bunch…
or to say the more the bunch gets snaky and in line the less lateral movment is imposed…

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That was what i felt yesterday ,was going to quit so went from front near beacon,to the back ,and yes suddenly it felt better.

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Screenshot from a group ride I did this morning. I didn’t notice anything strange with the draft today, but look at the subtle differences in distance. Leader and myself are both at 15.3 miles, others are ranging from 14.9 - 15.7 miles.

This is 100% what I am having. I am fine if behind one or two riders max at the front. At the back im still having to put out more w / kg than I should. Tons of lateral movement though. Ruined racing for the past week for me. Was the same on a ride with a pacebot. Sometimes putting out big w/kg compared to other racers and the full bunch just sail past me.

Other problems are no other racers showing up at all on the right hand side of the screen for the full race and unable to see their w/kg or race position.

Also lots of random riders doing workouts in the way of the bunch racing.

These last two problems happened on both my races this morning. 3R Volcano flat at 1020 UK time, and Crit City at 1120. This is running Zwift on Windows 8. My laptop isn’t quite up to it any more and runs between 6 and 10 fps. But other riders were complaining of the same issues.

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Hi…think 2 different problems here.
Excessive lateral movement and harder ride is connected to the “draft-bug”…
Normaly, when you don’t see riders at the right side, you have LAN/WiFi/Connex troubles…
So these 2 problems are not connected though.

Thats the thing. Perfect connection verified by zwiftalyzer. 50 meg hard wired. A lot of other riders were complaining about it in the in game chat. It wasn’t the usual way that they disappear briefly. They just never appeared at all.