The Z-Files episode 1.
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Please donāt ever change.
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I love how spectacularly unnecessary the presentation is. Quality. 
Also, Ben Foster 
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well in itās final form where you would ideally be able to view your current category at a glance on the zwiftpower website it probably wouldnāt because you could plan around that. in itās current form it does though since the fact that people donāt know their current category under CE and the fact that their ZP website category doesnāt necessarily reflect their CE category is what penalises them. itās nothing a simple website update wouldnāt go a long way to fixing, especially since apparently less than half of the current races on the calendar are even using the current ZP website category system
Final slide: āand then Bobās your uncleā I donāt get this reference, is it a UK thing?
Rather than post it in Zwift Racers, it needs to go into the WTRL facebook group- That will show the extent of the battle while they all have a meltdown over it.
Zwift racers is basically an advertising page now - Its a shambles.
Yeah, itās a British saying.
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I donāt get posts approved in that group. Iāve added it as a comment.
Couldnāt decide whether or not to start a new thread or to use this one.
Weāve just made the following changes
- Womenās CE is now operational
- Riders without data will now start in Pen E rather than A
- A > 3.7w/kg CP or >= 5w/kg MAP
- B > 3.2 w/kg CP or >= 4.2 w/kg MAP
- C > 2.5 w/kg CP or >= 3.5 w/kg MAP
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Are those the thresholds for the Womenās CE or for all CE events?
Womenās CE.
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James, are you able to add the orange background to your important posts (like this), like other ZHQ staff sometimes do? It helps with visibility, etc.
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Sorry 
Not used to saying anything remotely useful or important 
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i donāt think CE would make a difference but one thing that has always annoyed me is the big clubs always want to be bigger so when ZRL season comes around itās them that are spamming forums looking for members. I almost feel like WTRL facebook should block big clubs from advertising to allow a better spread of riders.
There are loads of people looking for teams every ZRL so plenty extra riders for small clubs to recruit a few more would make the whole league a better
Great to see this new information added to the OP.
I notice todays information for C is
C > 2.5 w/kg CP or >= 3.5 w/kg MAP
Yet mens/mixed (is that correct?) is still
C: (2.5w/kg OR 3.9w/kg MAP) AND 150w CP
I have mentioned it before, but I have no way of knowing or testing, but the 3.9 w/kg MAP just looks mathematically wrong compared to the MAP figures for B and A. This new MAP figure for women only races of 3.5 looks more like I would have expected.
Is there a reason why Women only figure and Men/mixed figure are not the same?
The MAP numbers are all stupid and irrelevant, because they are far too high. This was pointed out shortly after the new system was introduced.
The CE system works on CP alone.
Please someone prove me wrong by finding riders who breach the MAP threshold while staying below CP, for any given category boundary.
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@James_Zwift Going to rephrase the above post so it is a bit more helpful. Calling something stupid rubs me up the wrong way and Iām sure it doesnāt fill you with enthusiasm to address this issue. Do you have any statistics on how many riders are breaking the MAP thresholds?
My feel (And James Aās I guess) is that they are set too high and probably for too long a duration too. They may help categorise riders that have no accurate longer duration efforts, but I doubt they do anything to move up riders with really strong short duration power with an accurate CP model. The good thing is this can be changed of course. Or will this be parked until race organisers can set the thresholds themselves?
Cheers
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This ^
The hard work is to get the system in place, it is easy to move the limits now. Time will tell how they move these boundaries around. Implementing woman specific boundaries show that this all is possible.
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MAP or vo2 or whatever theyāre calling 5 min power is the only thing keeping me out of B, and i am an entire 0.7wkg above it. my cp is like 240-245 or something. i donāt know what the raw watt thresholds and floors are but iām not seeing a lot of heavy guys with 5.4wkg 5 mins eligible for B CE races either
without knowing the raw watt numbers they are allowing for, if any, i think itās a reasonable threshold if you are using 4.2wkg for 20 as a comparison point. itās not physiologically uncommon for a rider to be able to do 1wkg more for 5 minutes than they can for 20 regardless of how heavy or light they are
Personally, Iām not interested in knowing the exact parameters of how Zwift build the CE power curve. Although, I do think ones CE ranking needs to be displayed clearly in their rider profile.
The more CE is understood, the more the baggers will game the edges.
I very much agree with James. If Zwift arenāt modeling down to 2-3mins for MAP/V02, they definitely need to update the model.
Iāve never done a full gas 5min effort on Zwift. Not once. If I did, Iād likely be forced up a grade. Generally, Zwift races donāt require this sort of effort. At least the races Iāve done.
Lowering the calculation time will further penalize anaerobic athletes like myself. I have no dog in the fight. I donāt really race on Zwift. Iāve just noticed that the 5min 5.4w/kg barrier does not really solve the intended issue. At least not for me.
If this was reduced to 3min, maybe even 2mins. It would be very hard to win races without really exposing your actual metrics.
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