Category Enforcement Test Events - 21-28 Feb 2022

You have to take down older values. It´s logical.
For exemple: your CTL is based on your last 42 days of training.

If, for some reason, you can´t train for 2 months, your numbers will take a big hit, especially if you were (very close) to your top shape before the pause.

From reading this thread it’s clear there are a lot more people cruising in C than I had thought. I assume this would be helped by adding a couple more categories.

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Will motivate to keep training. Even after breaking things you can be at a decent level soon enough. It also should not be a shock that if you did not train you will be at back. Shouldnt be made easier for you quickly so people can ‘win’ again.

B races in the test events are markedly slower-paced in my limited experience. I did one yesterday (Richmond) and spent large chunks on the flats with the lead group @ 2.5 w/kg. I’m no climber, so when the series of quick hills hit I was in distress, but it was still a lot of fun to be had even once disconnected from the winners.

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I’ve tried to tidy up the Crit City race posts and move them to a new thread.

I might have missed some or moved some that aren’t connected, so if you spot anything specific let me know and I can move it.

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Just for fun, I was comparing my ZP numbers to a guy who took 8th in the C category yesterday while I was trashed in B. 11:00 MST test ride 2/24/22
His 15 sec. = 11.73 Me = 7.26
1 min 5.73 Me 4.85
5 min 3.80 Me 3.98
20 min 3.38 Me 3.33
90 day avg. =3.20 Me 3.15

He stays C, and I’m cannon fodder in B
Clear as mud.

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Not quite an apples-for-apples comparison as the guy who came 8th in C is a lightweight rider? If anything I might suggest the guy who came in 11th in C as he has a similar weight and raw W to you (if I have the right Doak on ZP - you finished 38th in the Cat Enforcement race?)

If I’m looking at the right ZP profile then I suspect you crossed the CP boundary for the upgrade as you did 3.23 W/kg for 40 minutes when you won the 3R race on Feb 13. Your recent record in C is mighty impressive, top 5 in 9/10 of the most recent C races with 3 wins, a 2nd and 2 3rds.

I sympathize with being bottom of Bs, although I’d love to be there :slightly_smiling_face:! Yes perhaps more categories are needed, but in the meantime have you thought about mixed Cat events or even age-based events to get your racing fix?

My point continues to be the gap is to wide. If I’m that dominate in C, I should at least be able to hang onto the back of the new B, and there is just no way. I don’t need to be towards the top, just somewhat in touch with my supposed new cat. I’m about to give it another go so we’ll see how it goes. So far not happy nor impressed.

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yep I agree before a wider rollout it would probably be good to get more detail to the user base on how things are calculated or it will cause a bit of confusion.

in this instance i believe the rider you mention escaped an upgrade to b because they are below power floors of 200w (@James_Zwift is that a thing on new category enforcement yet?, would be good to review power floors as it’s required but not as zp does it which also has it’s faults)

As for your race yesterday yes I see you look to have been a bit like cannon fodder but unsure if i would put that down to the field being too strong or you having and off day based on your power chart you were a bit below your best.

I’d suggest giving another couple races a test ideally without doing a hard race the day before to see where you end up. Looking at your race history you have been consistently within the top 5 finishers of C races and some decent results in B.

i admit you are probably an edge case which is why I’d like to see organisers the flexibility to set boundaries as well

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This has nothing to do with a gap, there is no gap between top C and bottom B. It is so simple - 4 categories, somewhere are the (sharp) boundaries. It is nice to be top in a category, not nice near bottom.
I’m C cat with 2.52 W/kg, 0.02 above D/C boundary. If I would change my weight +1 kg I could race in D…

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So maybe an obvious dumb question, but with the cat enforcement events, it’s impossible to get a WKG zwiftpower DQ ?

Yes, I believe they shut that off for these events.

Perhaps you can, maybe there is some low hanging fruit such as racecraft, how you draft etc? Or perhaps you can focus on 1-5 minute power to hang with the initial fast start?

Also you’re basing this statement on a single B race - could you have just been on an off-day?

Seen lots of this!

Just finished the test event around the Three Village Loop. The only oddity was that the results for the C group were shown under the D category at the end of the race.

by gap I’m suggesting a 6-7 W/kg spread instead of 10 from top to bottom.

Against my better judgement I did another one today. 20 seconds and I was off the back. Had to kill myself to catch two others who got dropped. Pretty much a time trial for half the “race”. I know some of ya’ll think this is about winning, but it isn’t. I just want to be able to ride in the group I’m in even if it’s towards the back. This is crazy how bad I’m getting spanked in these rides. The other issue is I don’t have much really high wattage anymore. with age my range has greatly decreased. Any idea how to communicate with Zwift directly? I may want to give them direct feedback if I decide to leave.

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This is to follow up on my post about trying one again today, and I went hard and had about as good of numbers out the shoot as I’ve had in a long time. Still blown off the back in 20 seconds. and finished last (actually with two other guys I didn’t sprint at the end). And the lead pack was more than 10 min. up on us. This is stupid, and way out of wack ranking wise for certain people. This is way worse than a few years ago when I legit was moved up to B towards the end of the winter, and while I got crushed, I could still hang with the last 3rd of the group. Not in this new system. It’s moronic!

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Your wkg numbers are actually not too far off mine. Same on 1min, beat me on 5 min, I’m 0.1 higher than you on 20 min. I’m also in B. I haven’t had the ability to do one of the cat races yet (training plan is killing my legs), but I’m expecting they will be pretty rough for me. That said, I’ve been putting a lot of effort the last few months to push up my FTP, so hopefully next time I do a personal best in a race it will be a slight bit higher.

With only 4 cats the back of the pack can definitely be far from the front of the pack. Hopefully at some point they allow for shifting cat boundaries.

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