Category Enforcement - How is my category calculated? [February 2022]

The support team needs a memo from you James :slight_smile:

Sorry, no rest for the wicked, get back to work :laughing:

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is that based of all a users ride data for 60 days or does it guess it using some other method?

All activities in a 60 day period as posted elsewhere a few thousand times :rofl:

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This is funny because all I ever see is how light riders are at a disadvantage. So are they at a disadvantage or not? Or is it more of a tipping point where you pass a certain threshold you go from disadvantage to advantage?

TBF we need to get documentation written up for them which I don’t think we’ve done yet (or I haven’t seen it yet). I have a meeting with Flint later (he forgot I was on holiday) so I’ll chat with him about it then.

making sure there hadn’t been further changes without us being made aware, we know zwift like to do that sort of thing, I guess I should have asked what sort of time effort is used as there are many different ways of calculating ftp from 3m max efforts to 20m which can give a varying degree of different results

We haven’t made any changes to how the calculations are made otherwise I would have told you.

It’s done on a 2-50 minute power curve.

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Also it’s CP not FTP, just to keep the terminology super clean!

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yeah i thought it was CP based not FTP based

No need to reverse engineer it, the curve calc is super simple and every single example that has come up in the months since it was introduced has been explainable - either by looking at the realities of efforts in that period versus what some thought they had done, or due to an erroneous reading or something like the weight change in your example.

The best, or dare I say only, way to game it, is to do not any max efforts on the entire platform other than in the last 2 minutes of a race.

For anyone that does that, meh. More fool them.

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well you have just found out my cunning plan to get around it

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I agree with you more or less - my comment was made before the weight change was discovered so at the time I couldn’t understand.

That said, I can go choose all the various power models on intervals.icu to estimate CP and none of them match the number James me gave above. Some of them are a bit below it and some are above it with a variance of 12w. So reverse engineering the calculation can definitely allow someone to game the system if they were dedicated enough. I’m right there with ya on the ā€œmore fool themā€ comment though.

I’d say a 45kg rider with 5wkg 20min effort riding in & winning B races is definitely not disadvantaged…
They have entered 2 of the 3 ZRL races and I think won 2 of them, maybe they placed in the first one rather than won it.
They didn’t ride the TTT as they are probably disadvantaged in that race…

For me, a rider with 5wkg 20min effort riding in B and picking hilly races is getting close to sandbaggers riding down a level to ensure they win or compete… I will add, they are not doing anything wrong and using the system as it is meant to be, so it’s not on them to change.

It’s not my arguement to be fair, I raced in that race and didn’t have any issues at the time - I know others commented during the race and it’s been brought up here a few days later so it’s not sitting right with others.
As I said above, it’s quirk of the dynamics and it’s not changing any time soon I’d guess, so need to go with it.

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Sorry boss.

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WTH? I can’t even spell correctly during a race let alone type. I’m not even sure I have any cognitive skills during a Z5+ effort! :crazy_face:

Oh yeah, very nice implementation of The Banhammer, @Gerrie_Delport_ODZ ! Instant and decisive. I like it.

intervals doesn’t calculate CP in the typical way though - and in fact it uses a single best effort to make things more complex. The High North CP calculator is the best to use as the maths is, imo, probably identical - only Zwift uses more efforts. However, 4 efforts is enough to get an extremely high level of reliability (as indicated in the spreadsheet).

You’re excused.

This time.

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I was to busy being dropped on the KOM to pay attention to the specifics.

I think what got peoples attention was, they rode solo away from the lead group (of about 30) in the lead up to the KOM, bike swap, flew up the climb… this might have irked a few :laughing:

Yeah, riders pulling off a successful bike swap will tick off the field. If you can get 5 seconds or so before the swap point, you’ll only be behind 7 seconds after and you can make that up in about 500 meters on a dirt climb. And then pull out a minute over the rest of the climb. Super annoying…