Pretty easy. It just does about 4.5w/kg and that is adequate to stay ahead of Constance. No different to people controlling their trainer power via a Garmin in ERG mode (quite common in Constance group when I used to ride with them).
I know it’s not what this thread is about, though the bot problem has typically been about them riding around solo, not joining and hanging in group rides. Hence I’m just a bit curious
I would suspect they are looking for the drops multiplier 2.5x.
The irritating thing (or awesome thing depending on your preference) is that it increases the pace of the group way faster than what it normally would be.
You could verify this by comparing the lap times of Tick Tock for instance when these types would leave, the lap times are a lot slower. That’s the easiest way to show the effect/impact.
Look, you have to report things. I know you’d like it to be automatic and we all would. But for now please do report these things.
If people don’t do this, then nothing will improve. Get details, do your research properly, get as much clear information as possible and send it through.
The problem you’re seeing here is lack of trust, and it is within Zwift’s power to gain trust by reporting progress, without any need to reveal details of what you detected or the nature of improvements you made. I don’t think it’s possible to obtain that trust any other way. That lack of trust is a form of avoidable brand damage, and it deters people from reporting things you would like to know about. A quarterly summary report would go a long way to show people that action is being taken.
I 100% understand your point. However I would guess (and this isn’t my job) that it would be unlikely that we would do so. In the same way that our customer numbers aren’t publicly declared/
I can only point out that we block a number of accounts on a daily basis but there are those that get through the cracks and it would be good to understand why.
Personally I’ve banned a handful of accounts this week.
Yes, this is the common problem - and with lack of trust comes lack of action (why should I do anything, nothing’s gonna happen, I can’t change anything, etc.). Unfortunately it is not in Zwift world only.
The other problem is that when someone is genuine and doing a impressive effort - putting in the tough miles, everyone just immediately reckons they are a bot account or using some “device in the middle” hack. That’s because so many bots and other dubious things have gone on for a long time, everyone just thinks anyone else is the same as well.
Heck I’ve even had people calling me out (one of them in this topic!), never mind that I’m doing huge amounts of IRL riding, stacks of elevation and there are plenty of events I’ve been in where people have seen me on a bike going up hills or just even on the weekends around here. The local cycling photographer must have stacks of photos he puts online of me riding given how many times he has his camera out when I’m riding past him, so it’s not like I’m weight doping.
Some people get around that suspicion by miraculously getting the “tick” against their account.
Which according to the Zwift support people is “only” for Pros or Former Pro cyclists… Hmm.
I agree the lack of trust has many corrosive effects. The damage is probably hard to quantify (ie, how much does it cost us that people don’t trust the platform) but I suspect that the damage caused by the lack of trust is even greater than the damage directly caused by cheats and bots. It makes everyone suspicious all the time, which is a downer.
BTW the verified rider check mark is not just for pros and former pros. It includes all sorts of “notable people” as well as those who have gone through the elite rider verification process (many of whom are not pros or former pros).
Zwift support disagrees with you: (quoted from an email they sent)
Unfortunately, Zwift does not currently offer an account verification check mark for members. The only verification badge available is the Pro Badge, which is reserved for professional athletes who meet the required eligibility criteria.
I know you are right as well.
This exactly - I tried to get a very well known elite rider who I ride with IRL sometimes onto Zwift but he would not have it despite my efforts at persuasion, and the lack of trust was the reason. So he uses another platform for racing.
I’ve seen a legit state master’s champion get relentlessly accused of cheating despite going well above and beyond to verify performances plus having outside results to back it up. I’ll never have that problem but it’s just so incredibly toxic and off-putting for the people who truly put in the work.
But as to “bots” (race cheating is a different topic), what purpose and damage do they do? Free ride? None, just aesthetics. Racing a bot or partially a bot (wattage increaser)? Yes, however through the organizer and event users, they should easily be removed.
The only benefit of a bot would be growing an account and selling it for financial gain. Otherwise, it is just laziness, gaining gear that is virtual and only benefits racing.
Why not just ban bot users from racing? No events allowed, permanently or for a period of time. Give them a score of 1001.
The aesthetics matter, and leaderboards are not a matter of aesthetics (I mean unless you think race results are aesthetics as well). The presence of bots degrades the user experience.