Yes. Starts and finishes in Downtown Watopia
The issue with very long routes is the experience of an average person (who is more likely to only have an hour or hour and a half to ride) will vary greatly depending from where in the route the pace partner is when they start their ride.
Four Horsemen for instance… if you have an hour or an hour and a half to ride and at the time you can start your ride the pace partner is close to the bottom of the alpe, you’ll get a great climb, and then a long descent. If you start an hour later you’ll start on a long descent and the ride will be over long before the pacer hits the first big climb (Epic KOM). So while it was a “Mountainous” route, depending when you join you might or might not see a mountain climb at all. Folks who ride for 4 hours+ at a time will get a good route, but from what I see on my pacer routes the numbers sticking around for that length of time are small.
Also mega pretzel is.
Easier just to put part of epic KOM and ADZ into a loop. Not excessively long and you get two wonderful hills for the price of one route.
I have been with robopacers this entire week, most folks are there for 3-4 hours doing long rides. These people are there each day. This week it meant stupid numbers of laps (30+) on Volcano circuit which is very, very boring.
I don’t see why one lot of robopacers can’t do short flat routes and the other batch does longer, mountainous routes.
That’s the entire idea of having more robopacers. Except now they are both on relatively flat routes.
If Zwift’s data shows most folks riding pace partners are going for 3-4 hours then they should absolutely put much bigger rides in. I don’t think that’s what their data will show.
Volcano Circuit in general is such a quick lap that it can get annoying for anyone going over an hour I would think, so that is a particularly unlucky route to do a long ride on for sure.
I would be shocked if any pace partner had a majority doing 3-4 hours. That sounds impossible.
Go look at Constance - afternoons in my time zone. Every day, same people all doing at least 3 hours. And they are real people, not bots.
Feel free to join and see for yourself. When I join a lot of them are already through 120km and going to 160 or 200km.
But this is getting away from the original topic, and that was the boring selection of robopacer routes.
Why do both batches of robopacers have to be in mostly flat courses with no climbs or only very minimal ones? Wasn’t the idea of duplicating them that one would have a hilly course and the other flat?
As it is now, none of them go through titans grove, I don’t remember seeing any of them going up the volcano KOM recently and none of them go up the full epic KOM or radio tower climb these days.
The Grade is also a loop. I was on an event today that was doing 17 laps of it (134km and over 5100m elevation). It’s not ADZ or Ventop but it is mostly a steady gradient.
Innsbruck would be the best option, uphill and down then around the town and then repeat it.
Or, jyst up and down n repeat the loop.
The bots need to be put into rotation on some of the new New York routes
Double parked is a really nice loop - 40k, mostly flat, few lumps.
Would be popular
Would it? We’ve had weeks of group rides, races and badge hunts for XP in NYC the last few weeks.
I quite like the new routes, but I’m pretty much New Yorked out by now. 
Yeah, Lutscher route would be perfect, it starts in Innsbruck but then does continuous loops of the mountain.
I put together a list of routes I’d like to have RPs on. Just for my own entertainment.
Big Foot Hills
Bigger Loop
Coastal Crown Loop
Muir and the Mountain
Navig8
Sand and Sequoias
Knights of the Roundabout
Chain Chomper
Countryside Tour
Two Village Loop
The Muckle Yin
Royal Pump Room 8
2018 World’s Short Lap (Innsbruck)
How about Jungle Circuit to get some use out of gravel frames?
Oh and Grand Central would be great.
How much draft is there?
I did the Alp with robopacer and it felt like 1 watt. Did the new update really increase the draft?
The draft on the Alpe will be tiny, because you’re going so slowly.
On Titans Grove or the Volcano, the draft is much more significant.
What about Big Loop, the old Anquetil course. That had a nice variety of roads.
And reset the jungle road surface to be much slower as it used to be. This will make it more exciting, people can choose the right bike for the jungle, or choose the right bike for other paved sections.
So a bot is really no help on steep climbs, as I said, on the Alp and Ventoux.
I imagine the problem with putting the robopacers on big hills is that ‘no one’ wants to join a pacer halfway up the mountain, so people don’t join at all.
Hope that wouldn’t be a problem on hilly routes though which I wish they would try. Something like Danger Noodle, Road to Ruins, or Ocean Lave Cliffside is hardly difficult, just a hill here and there to stretch the legs.
This is why Royal Pump Room 8 is the GOAT robopacer route IMO, the constant up and down really breaks up the monotony.
Not much help in terms of draft. 
Potentially very helpful in terms of pacing and motivation. 
And also the RP brings a group. Sometimes I’m quite happy to do a ride solo. Other times, it’s nice to have company.
Aka we don’t want to ride on mountains? 
It never seemed to be a problem with old Anquetil. It always had a consistent group with it on the mountain courses. Folks would stay for 80km or more. I used ride with that group daily. It was 4.2w/kg steady robopacer and 65kg which for me was perfect. No extreme accelerations up hill needed at 5w/kg or more, just good steady pace.
These days the Constance group is ridiculous on Sugar Cookie route with the partial epic KOM. Everyone at the front goes 6w/kg or more and disappears, the next quickest lot helps drag the bot along over the bridge, the rest at the back get dropped by 10 seconds or more. Or they just slow down ahead of this section and teleport back on the flat part because the acceleration is too excessive. This was never a problem in the old days. This problem was introduced by the dynamic pacing.
I should get a video of this behaviour to prove it actually happens.
Yet we see team time trial events up ADZ where the group did 33 minutes… I wonder what they’d do up the real 21 bends of Alp d’Huez? How does the Zwift one get that fast…
IRL it’s either Pantani at 37 minutes something or Jack Burke on Strava at 35 minutes something according to Google.