If by crap you mean 2 races total with ZRS. Why are the other races and zrl ignored then? ZRS should be calculating pseudo scores for non ZRS events.
Should anything not setup to use ZRS be used in the score? How would ZRS know what the point of the competition is? FRR and ZRL are examples of rankings and scoring setup on an entirely different system so why would that impact ZRS?
Because of in race performance obviously. Massive
in race efforts by everyone get no credit?
I think using an example ā Bullseye Points Race from Herd Racing Leagueā¦ organizer seems to have ability to use ZRS for pen enforcement, but disable results from impacting ZRS. This snippet from the event description:
These races are using the ZRS system but will NOT result in a ZRS change as
the points format does not currently read correct results.
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Your finishing position in a pen/cat that was defined in a manner different than how ZRS defines them, then becomes irrelevant.
I suppose this is the reason Zwift wants standardized pen boundaries?
Perhaps like the opposite of instituting AntiTanking, they need protections from score increases if minimum thresholds arenāt also met?
On a postive note Cat E looks lot fairer as far as I can see.
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350-520 looked great. Love it!
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Is there any relevance to the Pacer Group category?
Is it just an obsolete criteria the should be removed?
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I expect they are quite sensibly waiting to remove it until the new system is proven. Itās been less than one day. 
Now that seeding has been addressed itās time to move on to the results side of ZRS.
It seems that the free open source system selected was developed for games like COD where youāve got hundreds of people wanting to play and need to dynamically assign them a group to play in, rather than something with fixed ranges.
Time for dynamic matchmaking and maybe a switch to vELO
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The solution is clear but Zwift refuses to implement. The ELO ranking system has been proven to work in all these situations, add dynamic pens based on race entries with one minute to start time and every race is competitive. I race in Gran Turismo online in that exact system and over the last 15 years nobody complains about being unable to compete.
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Ha ha, so doing my research I see he still did well donāt you think? Where did you get 2023 for his results? Looked like a great race for the back of the pack and especially for the five poor soles who dnfād.
Anyways Iām out, have fun and ride on!
I think workout should be excluded from seed score. Should a 5 min PR from a workout in counted in the seed score? You are not in a race, you pushed the power in a controlled vacuum.
I do my workouts in free ride mode so Zwift would have no idea that Iām doing a workout.
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The vast majority of workouts where you will be doing a hard 5 mins are repeats on 5 mins (or contain other lengths of efforts), so for instance if youāre doing the Gorby itās a 5x5min, you are unlikely to do a single 5min max effort and still complete the workout since you need to save a bit in the tank for the next 4 5 min blocks. There are very few workouts where all you do is a 5 min max effort without some other fatigue from the rest of the workout.
The one exception I can think of is the ramp test, this is a maximal effort where you might get a 5min PR without a lot of fatigue built up in the rest of the workout using the last 5 mins of the ramp test. I know my best 5mins out of a ramp test are better than my best 5 mins in a race as an example. So I can see Zwift specifically special casing the ramp test if that becomes an issue for folks.
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You are spot on Tim. Itās only a game and it keeps my aged body from seizing up! I did win a race last week in a field of about 10, the first 6 were no where to be seen on ZwiftPower!
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I get why Zwift want to use a model like this for their āgameā, but Zwift cycling is nothing like other online gaming. With shott em ups, car racing etc, there is far more consistency from the player. They could/do play hours each day with very little physical fatique, the game setting is unlikely to impact their game-play unlike Zwift where a Tiny race is different to a 40km rolling or a hill finish on Keith Hill.
On Zwift, on day 1 of the week if Iām well rested Iāll do better than day 5 if Iāve been racing hard all week. I may not have fueled up right, I may be a sprinter on a course full of lightweight climbers. So many variables that donāt need to be considered in other online gaming situations.
To me they are trying to fix a probem with the wrong solution.
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We had 83-112 finishers in the zone 2 pen E Tiny Races today. Nice to see some seed score increases from race 2 in a number of pens!
IMO, the top 10% per race (8-11) should be all getting a score bonus and that bonus should be getting added to their 100% seed score for at least four weeks.
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I think seed score is done.
Remove all floors and start racing.
Itās close enough to work itself out and move on to other tweaks.
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4.1 wkg for 5 minutes and score still under 350 (345)