Both were D cat , 4th of 4 was 180-350 range and 3rd of 112 finishers was 160-270 range.
The points movement is wacky.
I hope ZHQ will continue to make refinements but I fear focus may shift away for a while.
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I have no feedback for ZRS in January because Iāve been unable to enter any races with it.
Iāve been on Zwift for 8years with around 1200 races. Iām now looking at other platforms that meet the use case;
User would like to have a race they can enter within +/- 2hrs of their preferred work out time.
In an ideal world that race wouldnāt be a flat 20km ā¦ but Iād probably still join if it was.
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Zwift racing is definitely de-emphasized compared to a few years ago. For example, Tour de Zwift used to be races, then last year it was mostly rides with race options, then this year itās all rides where you have riders coffeeing up the climbs.
There used to be regular Crit City races. I donāt see those anymore.
A bunch of community events got recently deleted. No shock as these typically had only a few riders, if any, per category, and lacked promoter support.
So the model seems to have shifted to a huge focus on big ride events, with racing relegated to a fringe. Itās sort of too bad since the new category system is a big improvement on the old W/kg version with fixed boundaries between categories.
Hopefully the Zwift Games return, at least.
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The community races were fine until Zwift scheduled climb/crit/zrace/tt/epic/community races over them.
Weāve gone from having 11 races an hour to zero for certain race scores
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Iād love to know more about the ideal race for you. What day, time/timezone, routes, distance, format, etc.
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20km to 50km 4pm CST (3pm to 6pm). Weekdays. 2-100 people. Tomorrow 2:30 or 5:40 are my options.
2:30 is 27km
5:40 is 19km but crit city so likely higher intensity
6:15 is the fast is flat for 700+, and 24km
I donāt care about format or profile. Right now my options are to create a heavyweight burner or use TPV / Whoosh
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Iāve not looked at the full results including those not registered on zwiftpower, but Iāve seen suggestions that pen exclusion for exceeding pen threshold prior to a race didnāt work correctly in yesterdayās Tiny Races.
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This. Zwift mostly killed community racing and racing in general with it.
It was better without all the Zwift organised events than with.
Also, there are almost no races one hour in length. This 20km stuff is far to present due to Zwifts idea one should warmup, race and cool down in an hour. With most routes you dont need a warmup. Cooling down? Not much either so there is just a 30m race and a whole lot of nothing besides. Unless you want to join another 30m flat race right afterā¦
Community racing had more varied routes but especially longer. Now I really need to look hard for 35+km. And racing will be even worse when my score goes above 690 as then racing has dwindled even more due to real lack of love for upper categories where 20km races are even shorter in time.
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I have existing crit races (Rhino Racing Short Crits) that donāt quite meet your requirements but they are on the calendar at 3PM US Central time on Tue/Thu/Fri/Sat, so it might be possible to make adjustments that would make them more appealing if that time works for you. Prior to the Great Purge of events for A category riders, we were seeing low numbers in A category so I trimmed the racing score range down to 0-800. The events are also too short for you, but I can make A category do more laps and that would not be a bad idea. I saw a comment from you a while back about having a score above 800 so Iām wondering where you are now. It would also help if you have any ability to help promote your planned participation to other racers you know who might be interested in joining. Iām wondering if the Great Purge might help us get more A category numbers if I make further adjustments to the score ranges.
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So Thurs/Fri has restart 4pm races that are 50km and mass start.
Mon/Tues/Wed would be the main gap.
One huge caveat in all this is that any event is kinda doomed vs TdZ until that ends.
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Why when i finish in races like 14th place 18th place etc i get like 6 points . I would think i would be even with such results. So i could finish 15th place forever and eventually be moved up a catagory because im a 15th place finisher ?
Depends on the numbers in the race
Has the predicted shift in distribution towards near the top of cats occurred?
The musing was that people would get a boost towards the top but (in most cases) not be able to place consistently well enough to move up.
Just spotted an oddity if signing up for the Mountain Massif chase race that starts in 16minsā¦
On web browser on pc, I only have choice of A or B pens (latter 3.2-4W/Kg) at https://www.zwift.com/eu/events/view/4745238
But on Companion app, I can join D pen as expected, given my suspected bad calibration best 20mins is 244W at 95Kg from mid December (Iām using my previous best of 220W at Intervals).
What are the expected score changes for winning a race in a field with riders 10,20,30ā¦ ā 150ā¦
Because with podium bonus the race score change does not look like it is correct.
Iāve seen an 8 point boost for a āmid catā score winning against 95. Iāve seen larger bumps but is isnāt consistent
This is a mathematical impossibility that ZHQ needs to look into.
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Itās just a bathtub profile.
1 minute high, 4 minutes low, 1 minute high.
The 6 minute average will be higher than the 5 minute average.
Itās why a modelled curve works better than using an exact interval, though you need to make sure that youāre using an appropriate model.
But the point of the results based movement is that everyone should find their true level anyway even if they have such an anomaly in their power curve. Itās only if people are actively trying to keep themselves at their floor that it becomes an issue.
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That was my initial thought. My 8 min power in a race earlier this week was higher than my 5 min power, per Strava, which struck me as wrong. But having thought about it, I think itās correct. Whilst there will be 5 minutes within that 8 minutes with a higher average power than the 8 minute average, there isnāt a consecutive 5 minute period where this is true, per the āBathtubā profile point from Tom_Shelton.
What can be said is that if you can average x watts for n minutes then if you target <n minutes youāll be able to do >x watts.
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