[quote=“Colin, post:99, topic:631661, full:true, username:Colin_Cadden”] If you don’t finish then you are ranked below all finishers and in order of who rode furthest.
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Would this makes tanking super easy? You can just sign up and quit and your race score drops like a rock coming in last?
If you DNF, they should utilize your best field placement that preexisted quitting
LOL so you park the bike and go crack a beer, then quit 
You don’t need to have negative score for DNFing, just give people finishing ahead of the DNFer some credit even if its only ½ of the score upgrade the person would get for finishing ahead of the DNFer, while the DNFer gets 0 change (this is what ZRapp does ATM).
yeah… they’d need some minimum wattage threshold in order to count it. Eg. don’t use any effort less than 85% of their PB 12 minute wkg
That leads to an alternative. Just add 10 points to a racer’s score every time they DNF. They’ll be bounced up to a band they can’t compete in, and to lower their scores again, they’ll need to finish their race(s).
Won’t this lead to massive score inflation. Rider can just join 10 races a day. And quit and everyone else gets that bonus score,
Tiny races don’t even last 12 mins…
So if my goal is to have the highest score, I should just continuously DNF and I would be the highest scoring Zwift rider?
What would the motivation be for entering 10 races a day and quitting ? They’re not gaining anything from doing so (anyway a sliding coefficient based on number of DNFs during a period could also be implemented).
pure, selfless generosity. if we are taking it as a hypothetical given that rating going up is a desirable thing for some people, which it will be. every couple months or so i ask people in zr if they think their velo rating reflects their ability, and you get all kinds of answers. but more often than not, the impression i get is that people either think their rating is too low or too high
From tanking your own score to inflating the scores of others (net same effect).
Net same effect as sandbagging.
Sure. Knock yourself out. Personally, I wouldn’t care.
Are these scores public?
yes @Wannie
I asked an LLM about the DNF problem and found the response pretty good, although a bit comprehensive (just ignore it if you don’t take LLMs seriously). I’m not sure about the actual effect of these metrics. I guess some will just don’t care. If these scores can be used to limit participation in certain races, it could actually be effective.
Race Evaluation System
1. Race Completion Score (RCS)
2. Race Integrity Score
3. Implementation and Effects
4. Community Aspects
This system aims to create a nuanced, fair evaluation of race participation that goes beyond simple finish/DNF status. It encourages consistent, positive racing behavior while accommodating occasional DNFs due to legitimate reasons. By considering both short-term performance and long-term patterns, it provides a more accurate representation of a racer’s abilities and sportsmanship, leading to fairer competition and a more engaging racing environment.
What is Sportsmanship? i dont know what that is. can you go more into @OleKristian
Just see how your Race Integrity Score progresses and you will find out 
No Tom, that statement is out of context.
Races are races.
He didn’t want events that he didn’t try hard to affect his race score.
I’m not telling him how to Zwift, I’m saying entry into every race should affect the score.
Agree with you if we are talking about life, enjoying being alive and cycling.
All competition, sports or racing, is based on being first and following the rules.
So, attitude in racing is not my attitude in life.
My discussion is concerning a very narrow topic- DNF in Zwift racing.
Come on Ole-Kristian.
This is no way “my rule”.
You can Zwift any way you want but I think all the races you start should be reflected in your race score.
Why shouldn’t they?