I’m optimistic that improved collision detection will improve the pack draft dynamics. Hopefully it stops some of the churn, and doesn’t allow riders to sit impossibly close behind and as such receive a stronger draft than should be possible.
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This time, the changes basically impacted what was the Pack Dynamics 3 “module”, so it was only natural that the person that worked on it was the specialist of PDv3.
In terms of changes that can potentially influence racing I know that the overtaking was greatly improved to do something that some requested for a long time. Overtaking will now happen most frequently on the outside instead of pushing others in front out of the way. That will be interesting to see how the packs behave. But mostly it was a change that has a bigger impact on the visuals making the packs more realistic and balance the steering vs. non-steering users with improved auto draft searching.
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thanks for the reply 
@DavidP do you know if changes to overtaking are already activate? Because overtaking still seems to happen on the inside all the time.
No, I think it’s not yet fully enabled as far as I know
There was just a handfull of Group Rides this week with PD5…will we get this tested in some races?
where are those events available? @DejanPresen
Well I have seen a FB Post about using 3 Group Rides for a test…i don’t know much that’s why i asked.
Is there any update you can share regarding PD5 @DavidP ?
I’m not sure about the details as I’m not working on the project. Last time I heard it was on the final refinements phase, so it shouldn’t be long until it’s fully available.
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Would you please encourage the person working on it to come discuss what’s going on, what’s different, etc.?
There’s a pretty solid track record of things being released in a “surprise look what we made!” manner turning out poorly. For example, PD5.
I think you meant PD4, but I agree that there needs to be some community engagement on this. For instance, I’d like to learn how they are going to address drafting for people with no steering when they are behind a rider with a steering input. Right now, it’s an absolute nightmare to ride behind someone with steering input as a non-steering rider because I can’t get into their draft fully.
when you say it’s fully available is there a plan to run trial events. I’m sure most of us would be more than happy to help.
Would be good to know the intention of pd5 what is seen as wrong with pd4 they are trying to improve on?
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I don’t. There was much discussion on PD4. PD5 was dropped a few weeks ago with no notice and it was broken and ZHQ tried to gaslight us into thinking it wasn’t PD5.
Wait a minute! Have we been riding with a new PD recently? Since which patch?
It was a few releases ago but it was so broken they disabled it within a day or two.
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i think they shouldnt say whats different or what is going to change until it is fully released. So watching how people reacted with PD4 test when changes were announced and when they were not people often react to changes without even trying them so for tests i wouldnt say them.
31st of july? i got spat in a race then and could have sworn the pack dynamics were different, but i assumed i was just coping hard lol.
dunno about broken though, they just felt different.
edit: nevermind if it was a few releases ago then, didn’t notice anything. apparently i was just coping hard
the problem with asking the racing forum for pack dynamic advice though is that we liked stuff like 4.1 or whatever iteration it was before the current one, but that doesn’t strictly mean the wider userbase will.
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It was allegedly never enabled in races so you might’ve just been ODing on copium
There was some other related bug with steering but I learned my lesson and disabled my steering device a while ago so didn’t experience it
Have any changes been sneaked out to France whilst the pace partners are there?
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