Category Enforcement - How is my category calculated? [February 2022]

Whilst I agree this would be extremely useful, I don’t see us doing this with a move to results based categorisation.

Anything extra we do now will delay the release of results based, which ultimately we don’t want to do.

I am sorry but i still don’t get it.
@ James: 4.20 (366) are my numbers? Where do you see those?

But there are Riders with much better stats and they are still b…

Bernd, you can’t see them. I checked them on our database.

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Dear Zwift,

when do we get more categories to make racing more fun?

Thank you for the answer!

6 months or so

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Thanks for your time James and clearing that up.

I did enjoy racing a lot because i was able to compete over time. Now I’m pretty down actually cause i don’t know how to keep up with those A-riders.
Strangely enough, as i sad, that a lot of good B-riders don’t go to A…

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Thanks James. I shall be waiting with bated breath :wink:

Will there be a chance for user-input into the results-based system or will it be a fait accompli?

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Looks like everyone that is upgraded has a 12min power over category limit and than a big drop to 20mins…CP is most likely overestimated because of that

Ok thanks. Guess I’ll start joining those 12min races now :laughing:

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I’ll stop whining now. Always wanted to be a A-rider and was training for that. Now it’s happend sooner than later. Doesn’t matter, will try to train harder and stop eating cake

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I feel this is potentially somewhat misguided. It really comes down to the combination of estimation of effort for the task/user story/whatever you use, and the benefit to end users in the meantime.

Sure, if adding a small change to the display of ZwiftPower is 2+ weeks of work for someone, that’s arguably a significant delay. If it’s more likely to take someone less than a day or two, then the benefit to end users justifies that insignificant delay.

It sounds like a 30 second job to add another number to the display in Zwiftpower, but since this number is based on statistics from all Zwift rides during the last 90 days (not just the event data that’s already in Zwiftpower) it might be more work than expected…

  • Category Enforcement: implement UI informing why certain categories are visible - In Progress

  • Scoring & Categorization: allow race results to have a score - In Discovery

James from information provided in Competition & AI Tech Update: July/August 2022 Recap which would you say is taking priority - CE category visibility or Race Scoring?

I have the same question.

If the Race scoring is going to be based on the ZwiftPower/USA Cycling system what further additions or modifications might improve what ZwiftPower already has in place? I’m sure many on this forum will have a view, and some might even help :face_with_monocle:

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To the best of my knowledge, we’re adding CP/MAP data to be visible via the users profile page. Then starting work on scoring.

There’ll be an opportunity for feedback and where we feel it to be relevant/accurate we’ll take it on board.

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How long do you estimate it would take?

I’m not sure whether “show the CE and old ZP (FTP) derived cats side-by-side on Zwift Power” is referring to the static copy under “Statistics” on the Events page (i.e. “ZwiftPower Historic Category”) or the “Minimum Category” information under Profile; but the former would surely be pretty trivial as it’s just adding some more static copy.

The latter might be a little more involved, but it’s really just taking some existing data and exposing it isn’t it?

What is “scoring” that you haven’t started work on? Surely not the results-based categorisation that you’ve been working on for months?

…this. Having the new CE and old ZP minimum cats shown side-by-side on the rider’s ZP profile page would be useful (and illuminating :wink:).