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Edit : apologies this was supposed to be a PM.
Was this meant for me? If so this is correct:
B: (3.2w/kg CP OR 4.1w/gk MAP) AND 200w CP
C: (2.5w/kg CP OR 3.9w/kg MAP) AND 150w CP
(I added in the CP, if that wasn’t obvious).
It would be very interesting to know how many riders trigger one threshold and not the other. Is the real change the addition of MAP, or rather the curve fit for CP rather than pure 20 mins? The MAP threshold for A/B seems high to me, 5-8 mins at 135% CP is a huge effort, but maybe some people can do that. I’ve never done as much as 5.0 for 5 mins let alone 5.4 but have managed to go over 4.3 for 20mins (ie 4.1+ at 95%).
I’d like to see this rule improved someday, because the closer you are to 62.5kg, the less advantage you get in both w/kg and pure watt.
I’m assuming that the current Zwift Power rules are being followed, but I understand that even with MAP taken into account, someone at 62.5kg and 3.99w/kg 249w CP is still the weakest B racer under these rules.
62.5kg is a serious problem for me, as it it is the majority of Japanese males who are avid Zwifters (and we are not very good at English and have a small voice even if we had DeepL translation)
It is possible, it depends of your training.
This is ideal for paved sectors irl.
I am going to do the malteni race, so I also needed training for these efforts irl.
your wkg numbers are far superior to mine and you are roughly 15kg lighter than me, I race A and the fact you are a B shows how flawed the ZP system is with the watts and lightweight riders
Maybe. But that’s not the point : he was asking if someone got upgraded because of map or cp.
my exemple shows that the upgrade didn’t happen because of cp but map
would you class yourself as a B rider with your power numbers? they are better than mine being classed as an A rider. All I have seen on here is you complain that you are forced to race in A, where you actually held your own and finished above legitimate A riders in the test race btw
No. I did race in A and in B BEFORE the new classification.
In A when for my own fun, in B for zrl for example (b1 in zrl is the shrine of sandbagging… many riders riding at 135 bpm and 4.0 wkg and 80kg… so I might be on the upper limits, but never cruising, just holding for dear life behind these, for my team).
I think I am really on the verge of A and B, I do my best, and at my best I don’t play with categories. I really am at the middle between these categories.
So I will just be happy to race in any category, and if I only can race in A I will limit myself to punchy or climbers races.
and there’s the issue you don’t see yourself as an A rider despite power proving otherwise and thus your complaints about having to ride in A category from now on really are a little bit unfounded
you have won A cat crits, you are not a B rider at all despite your protests, your wkg power numbers are unfair on the legitimate B riders, all because you are lightweight and have advantages from the current system, the new system has quite rightly put you into A and you moan about that, you say you will now stick to your punchy or climbing races, personally that says more about your ego than anything else
@Cyrus_Macaigne you also did pretty well in the flat Paris race, which will have put you at a disadvantage compared to bigger / more powerful riders. Congratulations man, well done, you’re an A!
I don’t understand your point?
What do you want me to answer to that kind of speech? You just ooze hate.
Some one asked what is the metric that got me upgraded to A in the new system and I answered him MAP, not CP.
And it conducts you to this kind of speech. Please, try to answer as you would in real life, with respect for the other. Thanks.
most riders would trigger the 20 minute, in my opinion the 5 min is fairly generous, but with an emphasis on fair
a few riders do have a 5 min that far exceeds their 20 min, it’s rare.
no they aren’t. mine are. i weigh the same as cyrus, give or take 1lb
granted, i’m in A now, but there’s only 3 watts separating me from B.
Holy Toledo! I would love to have those numbers! Obviously an A and so I hope to never see you in a race. Much less likely now…
my case is pretty clear cut but there are some people who are legitimate Bs who are very, very strong. i personally believe about 50% of the top 50 ranked Bs on zwiftpower in the current system will remain B under the new system, and in my opinion they have every right to.
i’d like people to take a look at the top ranked profiles on zwiftpower if they are interested, under rankings > individual > B and just assume for arguments sake that they are all honest. the one thing they generally have in common is a gigantic 1 minute power. very few are lightweight
again, lightweight putting out huge wkg that most of us can only dream of, especially B riders