C/D: How do you stay motivated during a race?

Well, I don’t think sandbaggers and cheaters are an issue. Anyone that’s seriously competed in a sport will tell you that people enter lower categories all the time. I know a guy (at another sport and in real life) that loses “B” on purpose because he’s scared of moving to “A” and getting his ass handed to him.

Besides, what’s the purpose of racing if it isn’t to win? If you want to train or ride to have fun and sweat, then join a group event.

The difference in Zwift is you don’t have to loose to not move to the next Cat, he only need to stay under the Cat w/kg limit. you can look on Zwift Power there are people that has Cat A performance in races that does not have w/kg rules enforced (like Tour de Zwift) But in real races they sandbag and win B cat.

If zwift had a ranking system then he would need to loose the race not to go up the the next Cat. And that is ok at least that will give the real racer the opportunity to win.

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Totally agree, I race the group I’m in, not the whole field - because I know that I’ll never be in that position (age) and I still enjoy it and have great satisfaction :+1:t2:

Agree, race the group you’re with. In my ZP results I have a race from back in March where I occasionally change from winning it (C cat :sunglasses::joy:) to coming 2nd, as the guy that was a minute or two up the road having hung on with the back of the B cats for as long as he could (I assume), keeps flitting from B to C and back again as his newer results roll up.

Is it what it is (for now). Me and the 4-5 that formed a break in the race had a decent battle, chased down a couple of others and so on. Some of them aren’t on ZP which makes the results look a bit “light” anyway. :man_shrugging:

Sun Wukong in the house!

I tend to race against the group I’m in. This normally takes the form of me trying to hang on and then hope for a good print at the end. :smiley:

More often than not, I end up riding solo. But it doesn’t stop me from racing; even if the group ahead is +1 minute and the group behind is -1 minute, I can still watch those time gaps and try to at least maintain them, if not improve them.

If Zwift doesn’t do something to address these issues then the B, C, D category customers will vote with their feet.

  1. Every “C” race I entered this year has had at least three or four riders who should have been in “A”. On more than one occasion I burned myself out trying to keep up.

  2. It’s really difficult to keep track of your position in your entered category. Yes, Zwiftpower live ranking can help with this, but it should be in-game.

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@B_Gru: why don’t you call those cheaters out?

If I see a cheat I’ll post here by name and call them out, or I’ll email zwift and point him out. I’ll even call him a cheater in the race chat.

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I do agree. I I would guess it will be the most passionate riders/racers.

Well… Several reasons.

  1. I don’t think that should be my job.
  2. I don’t see their average power output until after the results have been processed on Zwiftpower.
  3. The sandbaggers don’t seem to care.
  4. There seems to be an endless supply of them.
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Regardless of the sandbaggers and cheaters, how can a racer be negatively affected if Zwift added a button that will hide all racers except those in my category?

That could be tricky to implement. What if some “C” racers chose to hide “A” and “B” riders, but others did not? The riders who could see the other categories could draft off them and get an advantage.

I wish there were more races organized with separate start pens for each category, and/or other categories hidden. But this is up to the race organizer.

Zwift could definitely improve visibility of riders “in category”… Give each cat a different colored bib/number. Change the “Riders Nearby” panel to a “Race Standings” and show only racers in your category (and no lapped riders).

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Yes, But Organizers stopped using that because it just made the sandbagging worst. Now they leave it up to ZP to put people in the correct cat. But that take all the fun out of racing. What is the point to just do a 1hour FTP test every race. Racing is more than just riding at your max.

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Auto-assigning race categories is needed to stop sandbagging. But separate start pens/staggered starts/view only category would make it much easier to see where you stand against other racers in your category. And it might make it easier to spot the racers riding “out of category”, who can then be ignored…

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I still don’t understand.

Lets say there are 12 riders in a race, 3 in each category A, B, C, D.

In my PC (ie. client-side) I decide to hide A, B, C. How does that affect the other 11 riders?

If you choose to hide other riders there should not be any effect on the other riders in the race. You asked how a racer could be negatively affected by hiding riders from other categories. The negative effect would be that if you hide other categories you would be unable to draft off them (except possibly by luck).

I don’t think we want the option for the user to hide riders, it must be done from the race director side, so it will be the same for all racers. This can currently be done but it is not used because of sandbaggers.

Yes we need both!! Auto assign and separate pens. There can always be a “special pen” for people that want to sandbag or do training races.

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