My mate has similar low heart rate, its low side of normal but entirely possible, its the equivalent of an adult male having a size 5 shoe, a little unusual, another mate has a maximum heart rate of about 220 and he is hitting 60, he can hold a conversation with a heart rate of 202, again unusual but not impossible.
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Yes anyone can do that and many organizers do. All of my races require power to enter the starting pen. You can see the setting in the Companion app entry for the event. For example all ZRacing events require power, but only Advanced requires a HRM. I donāt require a HRM in the events I manage.
Zwift is doing many different things across their range of races so I donāt believe only doing accurately describes the situation.
As far as Iām aware, Yes ZwiftHacks does allow you to filter races to see whether Heart Monitor and/or āNo ZPowerā applies to races and as such access to the pen.
I donāt use ZwiftHacks enough to know whether there is a rule/tag/filter which covers the often used worded description of āFor your results to show up in ZwiftPower, you must use a heart rate monitor (HRM)ā
Ok, then Iām misreading the event descriptions that, eg., appear in ZR (Fresh Outta 25) races as pasted below? Really of the below (btw, copied from a Non-Advanced event description) then the only distinction specific to the Advanced events is the HRM and 2nd item requiring a minimum ZRS of 650? But for all levels a power meter is required (to enter)?
Please note that in order to enter the Advanced category, you will need the following:
Heart Rate Monitor
Zwift Racing Score of over 650
Smart Trainer/Bike or Power Meter
Yes thatās what the icons mean on the right side of the event listings in the Companion app.
The Range 2 event has Category Enforcement turned on, and requires Power. Range is 0-725.
The Advanced category adds HRM requirement to the above. Range is 650-1000.
I guess Iām hung up on wondering if an event can be setup to allow anyone with any setup to enter (eg on ZPower and no HRM), but will be DQād if they do so after the race, versus unable to even begin a race with one or both of these things not being present. Do the rules appear different in the CA in such an instance?
Perhaps Iām reading too much into the eventsā rules in that nothing below says you canāt enter one of the below types of races lacking either a HRM or a power meter. But itās sounding like you canāt enter these without at least a power meter. However, looking in CA at these, the EPIC race series evidently seems to allow ZPower, while the Crit series requires a power meter.
Epic Races: āPlease note: For your results to show up in ZwiftPower, you must use a heart rate monitor (HRM) and be riding on a smart trainer, smart bike, or using a power meter.ā
Crit Racing Club races: āPlease note; for your results to show up in Zwift Power you must be using a Heart Rate Monitor (HRM) and be riding on a smart trainer, smart bike, or using a power meter.ā
The Epic races do not currently require a power meter to enter and could be joined by zPower riders. The Crit Club events cannot be joined without a power meter. ZwiftPower settings for the event are completely disconnected from those requirements. The ZwiftPower settings would remove anyone who doesnāt meet those additional requirements for showing up in the results.
How would icons appear if ZPower is ok for entry, but will be DQād from results?
Thereās no icon for that. What you see on the Zwift side never depends on anything set up in ZwiftPower. ZwiftPower depends on Zwift but Zwift does not depend on ZwiftPower in any way AFAIK.
ok, got it.. So starting back at the original quote that I started with about āHardware Enforcementā, Zwift has departed from this at least somewhat since Epic races are now excluded from requiring power meters? IOW, there is no consistency from Zwift on rules across their own race events?
Anyway.. to elaborate on why I went down this rabbit hole. The conversation was going in a direction about requiring Dual meter recording, when it seems to me the easiest first step before that, is just turning on the hardware enforcement rules that they already have available, but seem sporadically used at best.
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Thatās the issue. If there are icons for Power Meter and HR and you meet them you will not be DQād from ZP results - because if you donāt meet them you wonāt get into the pen. However if there are no icons you can race with any set up but have to read the race information to see if there are any ZP requirements to be in the ZP results.
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No it is not the easiest first step and would exclude many racers who would simply be gone from all events that require it. Iām in favor of it as an option for organizers. If I were to pick a first step I would start with height and weight manipulation since all the data is readily at hand for every rider regardless of their equipment.
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So ZPower is fine, if height and weight are correct?
Excluding zPower is already an option so thereās no development work to do for that. Just flip it on. Any organizer can do that right now and many do. As a racer you donāt have to enter events that allow zPower because there are loads of options that donāt allow it. I have no idea if the decision to allow it in the Epic races was an actual decision or an oversight. Iām talking about which incremental thing can they develop that would increase fairness, and height/weight manipulation is at the top of my list. Either forbid the change if it exceeds some threshold, or exclude the rider from racing if they do that.
So flipping on Hardware enforcement (no zPower) would indeed be easier universally than applying some programming to look for height and weight manipulation. If some community organizers want special zPower race events, they could organize their own series. Seems itās hard to find/filter for races that allow ZPower with the current tools though.
One problem is some organisers forget to set a hardware requirement and then, having made no note in the written rules, DQ ZPower riders in the ZP race results.
As time passes there are probably less and less ZPower racers around. Probably pointing them towards ZwiftHacks is simpler than Zwift wasting too much time identifying the difference between Smart Trainer, non smart trainer being reported as if it was a smart trainer and ZPower trainer.
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Agree, there have to be fewer and fewer ZPower folks around. I think they should just rip off the proverbial bandaid though and make all race events hardware enforced, both HRM and Power meter required. Seems about 1/3 of current races on the schedule allow zPower ā do these events subsist on zPower riders filling the ranks and making participation quotas?
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I heard that it was an oversight and Epic races will be updated to require a power meter
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Itās better than it used to be. Anything else is a lie. Butā¦ all these problemsā¦ In this thread. In that thread. They all have the same root cause. And no, the static predictive model vELO is NOT the remedy. What we needed was results-based RELATIVE ranking. The current model doesnāt care who was in front of you or behind. It should. It must.
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I am one of those guys. I started with a ZRS of 301 in the D category of 220-330 and for some unknown reason after finishing 18th, I got bumped up to a ZRS of 361. I race regularly so its not like I dont have dataā¦. so have no idea if something changed with their scoring but also no idea how I got bumped 60 points.
If anyone has insight, Id love to hear but this doesnt seem right. I know I pushed my hill climb hard in the race, is it taking this effort and bumping me up based on that?